Ethics questioned at Bay101 - am I taking too much offense?

Analyst · #1 08-22-2004, 04:23 PM

Upon a night's reflection, I really don't think so but am interested in how others might handle the situation.

Yesterday afternoon, I was playing 20/40 at Bay 101. During the hand in question, I was in seat 6 and was the SB. UTG and UTG+1 (seats 8 and 9) limped in, with one more limper before the button in seat 4 (seat 5 had missed her blind). I saw four chips in front of seat 4 so tossed in 2 chips to complete; the BB then checked. At this point, seat 4 said that she had raised, and there were now eight chips in front of her. To make a long story short, seats 7, 8 and 9 all said that they saw her make a string raise, which squares with the initial four chips I saw in front of her. Lots of heated discussion ensued, the floor was called over and, based on what seats 7-9 and I saw, with some additional though sketchy details from seat 1, ruled it a string raise and invalid.

No problem, right? Wrong. Seat 4 kept fuming about it with her boyfriend (seated behind her) and ultimately said that we were all lying, and doing so to save a bet. At that point, I told her that her comments were offensive and way over the line; after all, there's a big difference between bluffing and deceit as part of poker play and those same actions as part of one's character. After a moment's thought, I decided that I didn't want to play at the same table as her, racked up and left. Later that evening, after about an hour at Garden City, she and her boyfriend showed up. When they got called to my table, I immediately racked up and left again, and I plan to do the same until she apologizes for what I feel is an incredibly offensive remark.

While I didn't volunteer the reasons for my abrupt departure, a couple of people did ask why and I did tell them.

It's cutting off my nose to spite my face, as she's a pretty bad player and her boyfriend is without question the worst 20-40 player I've seen at either club; this makes her comment about lying to get save one small bet even more ridiculous - it's pretty easy to get a lot more than that from her through normal play.

deacsoft · #2 08-22-2004, 04:41 PM

Sit you [censored] down and play. Just ignor them. She's obviously not going to apologize so leave it alone. You're going to run into jerks many many times and you don't want to allow them to decide what games you will and won't sit in.

Yeknom58 · #3 08-22-2004, 04:43 PM

This is a poker game, not the 3rd grade. If she were cheating that would be one thing but her being silly and rude is another. Keep the nose don't spite the face.

FeliciaLee · #4 08-22-2004, 04:59 PM

My opinion is, if it affects your play, move. If it doesn't, you couldn't ask for a better player in your game.

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cardcounter0 · #5 08-22-2004, 06:16 PM

Instead of leaving the table, why don't you seek them out? Make a point of trying to play at any table they are at. After they have hocked everything they own, and are totally broke, you will never have to worry about them again. After you take every last dollar they have, you can give them an apology if it would make you feel better.

burningyen · #6 08-22-2004, 06:24 PM

You're letting her control you.

Clarkmeister · #7 08-22-2004, 06:29 PM

Your actions were pretty immature IMO.

Cry Me A River · #8 08-22-2004, 07:09 PM

I'm thinking it'd be much more satisfying "revenge" to take all her money than just give her the cold shoulder.

Your course of action so far has been to act as table coach, except instead of teaching proper play you're trying to teach proper manners. Is that really what you go to a casino to do?

I would definately keep an eye on her, since she's shown she's liable to do anything. But it's ultimately the dealer and floor's job to police her, not yours.

VeryTnA · #9 08-22-2004, 11:50 PM

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she's a pretty bad player and her boyfriend is without question the worst 20-40 player I've seen

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I would want to play with them no matter what they called me! Tell me something? What were you going to BUY with the applogy they gave? Seems like taking their money is a better plan.

bromad1972 · #10 08-23-2004, 02:43 AM

I agree with the other posters.

Was at Binion's in Vegas recently and had a real horrible player with a bad attitude ( drunk to boot ) kind of messing up a decent late night game. We raped him. He sat down with three stacks and left with his clothes ( and lucky he still had those [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

The best way to deal with a rude/bad player is to take their money.

'nuff said