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K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
Villian is too loose preflop, but not terrible after the flop.
Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. River: (6.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font> ... I very very rarely bluff on the river, but decided to here. I would have bet any blank card (thought he was very likely to be drawing to either a straight or a flush). Is this standard? If he folds, does that mean that I bluffed with the best hand? Thoughts? |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
The flop play makes this a good try. A thinking player can put you on a pair here and sometimes lay down A-high. FWIW, this is a standard bluff for me against tight-ish opponents that make free card plays. It seems to succeed quite often, and certainly enough to be profitable.
Also, you will always fold KQ here, which is nice. |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
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If he folds, does that mean that I bluffed with the best hand? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. He never folds an ace here and folds a pair even less. |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
I think he folds an ace-high flush draw here.
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
He 3-bet an UTG raise preflop, if he has an ace high flush it is likely with a high enough kicker to call a bet with.
Checking behind the turn like that tends to induce so many bluffs that people will call with weak holdings. |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
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[ QUOTE ] If he folds, does that mean that I bluffed with the best hand? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. He never folds an ace here and folds a pair even less. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree, the fact that Hero check-raised the flop indicates that A high will be beaten most of the time here. If no raises were put in on the flop, that'd be a different story. |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
I don't think that he folds any hands that are better than yours.
I think the possibility is very slim that he would fold an A. If you had 89h then I'd like the bluff. |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
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I don't think that he folds any hands that are better than yours. I think the possibility is very slim that he would fold an A. If you had 89h then I'd like the bluff. [/ QUOTE ] Does this mean that you'd check the river with our KQ-high, intending to call a bet and win at showdown? Or hoping for a check behind? I would tend to think we'll fold more better/chopping hands with a bet than we'll induce worse hands with a check, namely because I think there are few worse hands that he could have. I think this is a good river bet, we certainly wont fold a pair, but since the only pair and flushdraw (Jacks, top pair) would not have checked the turn I think it is less likely that he has a pair. I think it's certainly possible that he'll fold an A-high flush draw as well. Sometimes this is a cheap-showdown move by a bad player with something like 77 though. Surf |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
Villain did 3-bet before the flop. I think that makes him most likly to have AK, AQ the way he has played it. KQ is very likly as well.
By betting often hero loses 1BB to AK & AQ. (they would check behind) By betting sometimes he wins half the pot, 3.5BB, when KQ folds to his bet. Looking at this alone I think check-calling is better. But it is very important that frequently villain will have a lower rank draw. A normal 3-bet does not mean great hand. He needs to check to induce bluffs from these hands. I think you are right surfbullet that sometimes this is a bad play by villain with a pair. All the more reason to check and hope that he checks behind. I check-call this. |
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Re: K-high on the river; A rare bluff from me
check/calling even a tame board like this j-high is suicide with k-high, seeing as how he three-bet preflop. unless he's a maniac, you lose to EVERYTHING.
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