Why you should care that Americans still believe in God:

spaminator101 · #1 11-07-2005, 08:47 PM

I dont come to this forum often anymore, but your wrong here. Comments such as the ones you have received come from what you say. if there wasn't something unsound in your reasoning, then no one would have a problem with what u say. I remember when i first came here i was just like u. Then sexdrugsmoney taught me that you have to consider the beleifs and oppions of others before you say something. For example: I'm a Christian and i beleive that when you remove the very basis our country is founded on, then our nation would fall apart. but heres where your argument comes in. A nation divided against itself cannot stand. With a decreasing number of Christians and moral people all together combined with an increase in crime and sex and immorality our nation could fall apart. Government is all ready divided and our races are divided and families are divided. Heck, even churches are divided. at somepoint we have to change something.

You see, there is the proper place for each argument. a proper place for yours and a proper place for mine. What you have to do is evaluate and explain both arguments and the reasoning behind them and then explain why you beleive yours is better.

Aytumious · #2 11-07-2005, 09:04 PM

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I dont come to this forum often anymore, but your wrong here. Comments such as the ones you have received come from what you say. if there wasn't something unsound in your reasoning, then no one would have a problem with what u say. I remember when i first came here i was just like u. Then sexdrugsmoney taught me that you have to consider the beleifs and oppions of others before you say something. For example: I'm a Christian and i beleive that when you remove the very basis our country is founded on, then our nation would fall apart. but heres where your argument comes in. A nation divided against itself cannot stand. With a decreasing number of Christians and moral people all together combined with an increase in crime and sex and immorality our nation could fall apart. Government is all ready divided and our races are divided and families are divided. Heck, even churches are divided. at somepoint we have to change something.

You see, there is the proper place for each argument. a proper place for yours and a proper place for mine. What you have to do is evaluate and explain both arguments and the reasoning behind them and then explain why you beleive yours is better.

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Can you elaborate on the section in bold?

spaminator101 · #3 11-07-2005, 10:07 PM

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For example: I'm a Christian and i beleive that when you remove the very basis our country is founded on, then our nation would fall apart.

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Ok lets say that there is no God, atleast to Americans. Now remember if there is no God there is no hell or satan. what will happpen. Well, there is no longer any reason for morals. Heck, nothing would happen when we die why dont we enjoy life.

OUr founding fathers always kept God in mind when forming our government. Sure not all of them were Christians but most were, or they were at least deists. IMO This government helped form the greatest nation in the world. What happens when you take out the reason for our system of government. Everything starts to fall appart

Aytumious · #4 11-07-2005, 10:15 PM

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For example: I'm a Christian and i beleive that when you remove the very basis our country is founded on, then our nation would fall apart.

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Ok lets say that there is no God, atleast to Americans. Now remember if there is no God there is no hell or satan. what will happpen. Well, there is no longer any reason for morals. Heck, nothing would happen when we die why dont we enjoy life.

OUr founding fathers always kept God in mind when forming our government. Sure not all of them were Christians but most were, or they were at least deists. IMO This government helped form the greatest nation in the world. What happens when you take out the reason for our system of government. Everything starts to fall appart

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How do you explain the much higher crime rate as well as the much higher percentage of religious people in the US compared to other advanced countries?

If what you believe is true, countries who are largely secular, such as those in Europe or in Japan, should be awash in crime. Instead it is the religious US that is crime ridden.

spaminator101 · #5 11-07-2005, 10:20 PM

Who said the US is religious. just because you go to church on Sunday doesnt mean your religious. most peope in America, IMO that claim to be Christians, aren't really. Just because you beleive that there is a God doesn't mean your a Christian. Thomas Jefferson beleived there was a God, but he was a deist. Therefore, thomas Jefferson wasn't a Christian.

Aytumious · #6 11-07-2005, 10:37 PM

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Who said the US is religious. just because you go to church on Sunday doesnt mean your religious. most peope in America, IMO that claim to be Christians, aren't really. Just because you beleive that there is a God doesn't mean your a Christian. Thomas Jefferson beleived there was a God, but he was a deist. Therefore, thomas Jefferson wasn't a Christian.

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Are you claiming the US is not a religious country because it is your opinion that many of the people who go to church are not "real" christians? The data shows that the US is easily more religious than other modern countries and it should be blatantly obvious that this country is much more religious than that of many other advanced nations, even without looking at the various figures that back up this fact. There is even another current thread directly about what we are talking about here.

I honestly don't see the relevance of the last three sentences of your post.

spaminator101 · #7 11-08-2005, 05:04 PM

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I honestly don't see the relevance of the last three sentences of your post.

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It was just an example.

RJT · #8 11-07-2005, 11:13 PM

Arty,

Surely, you are not suggesting Religion is the culprit. How about things like guns, capitalism itself and the competitive nature of it - for good or bad, poverty, racism to name a few reasons that could be the cause.

RJT

Aytumious · #9 11-07-2005, 11:25 PM

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Arty,

Surely, you are not suggesting Religion is the culprit. How about things like guns, capitalism itself and the competitive nature of it - for good or bad, poverty, racism to name a few reasons that could be the cause.

RJT

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I'm not sure how you got the impression that I am saying the cause of the various problems is religion. I was simply providing a counterpoint to Spam's belief that without widespread belief in god, a nation is reduced to immorality.

RJT · #10 11-07-2005, 11:42 PM

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Arty,

Surely, you are not suggesting Religion is the culprit. How about things like guns, capitalism itself and the competitive nature of it - for good or bad, poverty, racism to name a few reasons that could be the cause.

RJT

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I'm not sure how you got the impression that I am saying the cause of the various problems is religion. I was simply providing a counterpoint to Spam's belief that without widespread belief in god, a nation is reduced to immorality.

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Because you said this:

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How do you explain the much higher crime rate as well as the much higher percentage of religious people in the US compared to other advanced countries?

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And obviously I took it out of context. You have me confused with your cross-posting. LOL. Sorry, not blaming you. Totally my error. Disregard.

RJT