300-600 hand VS Mimi Tran

[jayheaps]

did you consider c/ring turn?

I think this hand really depends on what range of hands you think she's raising with.

[Steve Giufre]

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did you consider c/ring turn?

I think this hand really depends on what range of hands you think she's raising with.

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Yes. I was waiting to see if somebody brought this up. And FWIW, there is just no way she is capping A7 A8 type hands preflop. I actually dont remember her being out of line too much preflop, I just remember her auto defending her blinds, calling down a little light, and limping behind the fish a bit too much. I think that checking calling the flop and then check raising the turn the to get the BB off AJ AQ might be the best line. BB also hadnt played with me in almost two years, and I was much tight/straighforward back then so he thinks Im a nit.

[mc1023]

if she thinks you both have draws it would give her even more reason to bet out again with a lot of hands you beat.

either way no way I fold this considering the size of the pot, your getting 12:1 on your call.

also if BB had a hand like AJ AQ, I'm sure we would've heard from him by now.

[Steve Giufre]

Absolutely does not include A9 or A8, or anything similar. It was a see too many flops type of tilt, not the maniac I hate money variety. I had also played about one hand in the thirty minutes prior to this due to be horribly card dead, so I kinda doubt she was gonna take a bad ace and try to blow it by a guy she probably think is only playing the nuts, and a good player who called two cold in the BB.

[rory]

oh didnt see the adjective tilting

[Steve Giufre]

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if she thinks you both have draws it would give her even more reason to bet out again with a lot of hands you beat.

either way no way I fold this considering the size of the pot, your getting 12:1 on your call.

also if BB had a hand like AJ AQ, I'm sure we would've heard from him by now.

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Of course she has more reason to bet if she thinks we were calling to try to improve and not to showdown, but why would she think we have draws considering the board? I dont think it looks likes either of us have a draw. I also dont really agree that we would have heard from AJ AQ if the BB had either of those hands. I love how you guys think her preflop cap again two solid players means absolutey nothing. In the hour and a half I played with her it was the the only time I saw her cap, and I only remember her three betting a few hands. Why couldnt the BB just be trying to get to the river cheaply with something like AJ?

[mc1023]

sry misread your post as the board being draw heavy instead of having only the backdoor flush on board.

and to answer the question about BB trying to see showdown cheap with AJ.

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tilting Mimi Tran open raises from the cutoff. The button folds and I three bet A 10 . BB plays well but defintely too loose preflop. He agonizes and calls. She caps, we call.

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Your description of the two players are, one is tilting and could be very frustrated and the other is very loose preflop.

I think very loose preflop will call something like A5s-A9s here and will not agonize about calling AJ-AQ to a CO raise/button 3bet, which could very will be looking like a Button re-steal to a tilting CO.

if you were BB and you had AQ would you not bet or checkraise the flop?

Also I wouldn't be surprised to be shown something like A7-A9s from mimi, possibly even KJs.

I don't think her CO cap means as much as you think it does with the details of your current game that you are providing.

12:1 on the river I'm calling expecting to win this pot enough times to be showing a profit.

[mike l.]

id figure youd say something like that. your thinking/read is not strong enough here to make the river fold given the pot size. you must call. your fold on the river here is very very bad.

[mike l.]

"Absolutely does not include A9 or A8, or anything similar."

you need to say that in your initial post. first you say she's on tilt then you say she has a small range of hands she could cap with. as a result now this whole thread is botched, everyone's time is wasted, and the thread should be deleted. no one will learn anything, except hopefully you will learn how to write better initial posts.

[Steve Giufre]

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id figure youd say something like that. your thinking/read is not strong enough here to make the river fold given the pot size. you must call. your fold on the river here is very very bad.

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Could be. But I also think I mislead you guys with my descriptions of both players. You know the BB im sure, middle eatern guy, mid 20's, has a twin brother. She also has a normal cap range here. Her "tilt", was more limping behind fish too much, and cold calling in some real marginal spots. Could be its a call on the end, but I think if you were at the table you would think its a lot closer than you do now. Anyhow 12-1 is a lot, I'll give ya that.