Weak top pair, ugly river

private joker · #1 10-29-2005, 07:25 PM

Am I good 1/8 times on this river?

No reads other than the villain just open-limped on the button in this hand, so already I question his skill.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
7 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero ...

How often is he bluffing? Can I fold and sleep well? Or does pot size dictate a call?

Also, does anyone raise PF?

jason_t · #2 10-29-2005, 07:48 PM

Fold.

Don't raise preflop.

Carmine · #3 10-29-2005, 07:54 PM

I let it go and sleep well. I mean what's he calling down with. 7x, [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], or AA on FPS(which I would rename SPS here). If he is FOS you'll find out soon enough and utilize that info.

molawn2mo · #4 10-29-2005, 09:47 PM

sleep well

#5 10-29-2005, 09:53 PM

he didn't raise preflop he completed w/ sb. You said you already question his skill. That means he prob can't make a bluff as good as that. Plus what else could he be chasing a 5? Worst card in the deck, I think you can sleep well. Great players don't bluff, especially at limit.

I don't think you know your players well enough to dictate that a button limp means weakness, it could very well mean big pocket pair? Definitely in the future though if it does mean bad cards.

#6 10-29-2005, 09:54 PM

anyone think a check call is appropriate rather then value betting that second 7? You could induce a bluff...

Borodog · #7 10-29-2005, 10:15 PM

If you're ever going to bluff raise the river in limit hold'em, this is the river and player to do it with, isn't it? A horrible river card and a thinking player who can make a laydown? Just something to consider.

#8 10-29-2005, 10:20 PM

Good point, but who open limps on the button? I question his skill like joker does.

jason_t · #9 10-29-2005, 11:51 PM

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If you're ever going to bluff raise the river in limit hold'em, this is the river and player to do it with, isn't it? A horrible river card and a thinking player who can make a laydown? Just something to consider.

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What's he calling with on two streets?

chesspain · #10 10-29-2005, 11:58 PM

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If you're ever going to bluff raise the river in limit hold'em, this is the river and player to do it with, isn't it? A horrible river card and a thinking player who can make a laydown? Just something to consider.

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What's he calling with on two streets?

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I could see him having a hand like A7o.