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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
I'd fold to his flop raise.
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
There are two ways to attack the postflopp situation here, the way I see it
1. The approach u took leading out, makes u vurnerable to all kind of hands Being a Tag, he could be raising with most hands in his range to either bluff u off semi bluff or simply be ahead, none makes u the wiser. If u want to go to turn with this approach it cost u 2Sb 2. Why not check and raise his bet if it comes, it might get the other two contributing some money and the tag is left with the tougher decision, if he then reraises I might consider folding on the spot or on the turn if no improvement on your behalf.On the other hand if he checks u still only contributed 2sb, and may have gained a few bets if ahead. I prefer the latter in this situation, and if u give a free card so be it |
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
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villain could be doing this with JJ/1010/ AQs/ AJs [/ QUOTE ] I doubt that a garden-variety TAG has AJs. |
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
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I'd fold to his flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] Me too (I did not want you to feel alone on this one). I am not sure I would bet the flop here, but if I did it would be to see if I can safely fold. After his raise, I think you safely can. Even if villain doesn't know hero is a fellow 2+2er or TAG, he still has to worry that the King high flop hit hero, who had himself raised pre-flop. If villain himself doesn't have a TPTK or better then his flop riase is a pretty risky move for the pot as he can expect to get three-bet here pretty often. Plus, with the flush draw out there his raise may not even knock everyone out. His flop riase to me looks like he probably likes this flop and hero is drawing to 2 outs or worse. |
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
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[ QUOTE ] I'd fold to his flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] Me too (I did not want you to feel alone on this one). I am not sure I would bet the flop here, but if I did it would be to see if I can safely fold. After his raise, I think you safely can. Even if villain doesn't know hero is a fellow 2+2er or TAG, he still has to worry that the King high flop hit hero, who had himself raised pre-flop. If villain himself doesn't have a TPTK or better then his flop riase is a pretty risky move for the pot as he can expect to get three-bet here pretty often. Plus, with the flush draw out there his raise may not even knock everyone out. His flop riase to me looks like he probably likes this flop and hero is drawing to 2 outs or worse. [/ QUOTE ] me 3. but i would definitely bet the flop. |
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
What makes you think he's on a spade draw?
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
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What makes you think he's on a spade draw? [/ QUOTE ] Did you read my post? </font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr /> his flop raise indicates that either I'm beat (against which I'm drawing virtually dead) or he's on a spade draw. [/ QUOTE ] To Nick: The 3/6 full games are surprisingly great. I mean really good. This week has been the best I've seen them in a couple months. I've found tons of fish, and several pots going 6-handed for 1 bet preflop. I guess the 6-max thing just wasn't a big problem. |
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
Gotcha - well if you're that confident in your read - and it's unlikely he has a spade draw - I guess it's an easy fold.
Otherwise, I agree with most everything 27offsuit said. |
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Re: QQ vs. 2+2er
Re: Bet-folding the flop, I guess it depends on whether he's seen you do it before. If he has, he wouldn't need too much of a chance that you might do it again, to make this raise profitable.
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