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Old 12-04-2005, 08:07 AM
Wideout88 Wideout88 is offline
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Default boat with QQ on river, raise for value?

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Button ($43)
SB ($41.25)
BB ($100)
UTG ($102.35)
Hero ($140.95)
MP1 ($43.35)
MP2 ($39.10)
MP3 ($107.10)
CO ($237.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($13.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP1 folds, UTG calls $7.

Turn: ($27.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $15</font>, Hero calls $15.

River: ($57.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $13</font>, Hero calls $13.

Final Pot: $83.50

I had just sat down on this table about 10 hands ago, and I have no PT numbers on the villian.
When he led the turn, I thought it was pretty clear he had a K, should I be raising on the turn, or should I raise his river bet for value. I was worried about KQ or KJ as those were the most plausible hands I could put him on when limp/calling UTG.
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:13 AM
yvesaint yvesaint is offline
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Default Re: boat with QQ on river, raise for value?

dude bet/raise more, like, everywhere
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:15 AM
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Default Re: boat with QQ on river, raise for value?

I feel that a raise would only get called by a better hand. I can't see playing this any other way against a reasonably opponent. Your observations were probably correct about the higher full house.

edit: yves- Raise the turn and fold to a push?
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:16 AM
yvesaint yvesaint is offline
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Default Re: boat with QQ on river, raise for value?

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I feel that a raise would only get called by a better hand. I can't see playing this any other way against a reasonably opponent. Your observations were probably correct about the higher full house.

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this is why you bet more on the flop and raise the turn because any K is calling you then

the way you played it on flop/turn makes your river play bad

though the way you played it, i probably still end up raising the river as it looks like he's weak
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