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11-10-2005, 11:46 AM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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Watch how I play. Play with a little more imagination. You tried to fold into the money and only played when you had a big hand against a loose late position raiser. Then you get mad when you bust out. Play more aggressively and you won't wind up short stacked like that. [/ QUOTE ] Oops, I apologize for thinking it was a minraise. That was stupid of me. Anyway, I'm not at all mad about getting busted when I was in the magical red zone. I can't control the board cards, and missing out on a huge $25 payday (or whatever you get for making the final 2 tables) isn't exactly bringing me to tears. However, I do get annoyed when I see these whiny "omg I'm running so bad, poor me" posts. Everyone seems to forget that sometimes they get their chips in as an underdog and suck out. That was the point of posting that hand. 
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#22
11-10-2005, 11:54 AM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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Everyone seems to forget that sometimes they get their chips in as an underdog and suck out. [/ QUOTE ] as betgo pointed out, he's 30% in a 3-way pot. with the antes in there, this is a very very slightly -chipEV play.
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#23
11-10-2005, 11:59 AM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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[ QUOTE ] Everyone seems to forget that sometimes they get their chips in as an underdog and suck out. [/ QUOTE ] as betgo pointed out, he's 30% in a 3-way pot. with the antes in there, this is a very very slightly -chipEV play. [/ QUOTE ] But both the initial raise and the call were +EV. /edit well the raise probably was.
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#25
11-10-2005, 12:06 PM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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But both the initial raise and the call were +EV. /edit well the raise probably was. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not a fan of raising enough to be committed to call a shorty's push with trash. I would raise more in that situation (if at all). But then again, I'm a donk who gets his chips in with KQ, which as someone who deleted a post earlier, is a dog against A2.
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#27
11-10-2005, 12:17 PM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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The raise into two short stacks, at least one of which was making a stand with anything decent, was mediocre at best. [/ QUOTE ] It was on the bubble, so I figured they weren't making a stand. Plus the BB was not a real short stack. They only played because they both had standard raising hands. As it happened, even with both short stacks playing, it was EV+ with pot odds. If only one of the short stacks pushed with high cards, it is only slightly EV- with pot odds. This is a very automatic raise.
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#28
11-10-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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[ QUOTE ] But both the initial raise and the call were +EV. /edit well the raise probably was. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not a fan of raising enough to be committed to call a shorty's push with trash. I would raise more in that situation (if at all). But then again, I'm a donk who gets his chips in with KQ, which as someone who deleted a post earlier, is a dog against A2. [/ QUOTE ] If I miniraised and a short stack pushed, I would still call with pot odds and two live cards. I don't want the short stacks to think I will fold to a push. Plus I don't want the BB to make a pot odds call. The BB would be likely to call a miniraise with anything, and anything is probably ahead of my hand. I was kidding about KQo. Pushing was the only play there.
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#29
11-10-2005, 12:31 PM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Everyone seems to forget that sometimes they get their chips in as an underdog and suck out. [/ QUOTE ] as betgo pointed out, he's 30% in a 3-way pot. with the antes in there, this is a very very slightly -chipEV play. [/ QUOTE ] But both the initial raise and the call were +EV. /edit well the raise probably was. [/ QUOTE ] i meant that the end situation was slightly -chipEV ex post, i.e., once we see what the cards are. very debatable whether the intial raise was +EV.
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#30
11-10-2005, 12:38 PM
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Re: I lost $450 yesterday multitabling 20-table SNGs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Everyone seems to forget that sometimes they get their chips in as an underdog and suck out. [/ QUOTE ] as betgo pointed out, he's 30% in a 3-way pot. with the antes in there, this is a very very slightly -chipEV play. [/ QUOTE ] But both the initial raise and the call were +EV. /edit well the raise probably was. [/ QUOTE ] i meant that the end situation was slightly -chipEV ex post, i.e., once we see what the cards are. very debatable whether the intial raise was +EV. [/ QUOTE ] On the bubble, I am raising into 3 short stacks any time. If either really short stack plays, it is generally slightly EV+. If the BB raises, I lose 1200. If the BB flat calls, I generally lose 1200, but maybe I will catch something or bluff him with the big stack and position. If everyone folds, I gain 850. I am going to gain 850 most of the time, since usually no one has KQ or AK or something to play with me.
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