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#111
07-14-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
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Kanter is all-in with Qh Jh on a 6c 3h 3d 7h board. Raymer calls and shows Kh Kd. The river is the 2h, and Kanter doubles up with a flush. [/ QUOTE ] Man, just not a good start to Day 6. 
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#113
07-14-2005, 07:59 PM
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Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
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This is ridiculous. Weak call PF, coldcalling a raise with QJ, then calls on the flop with what? A backdoor flush draw and 2 overs that can't even be considered as full outs? What a joke! Kanter belongs in a Party 10+1 chasing weak ass draws. [/ QUOTE ] You aren't even on the table, so you have no clue what is going on and how Raymer is truly playing and what he's been doing. The key thing is the opportunity to bust a marquee player/big stack player. Is it ia donk play? Sure, in the grand scheme of things it's a real donk play. But the present opportunity to do so right now - to real cripple the defending champ/big stack player makes taking this gamble a great gamble IMHO. You don't win tourneys by nut peddling, you take stupid chances at the wrong time and then having it work for you. Lawrence
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#115
07-14-2005, 07:59 PM
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Re: Raymer Crippled
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Oh, God. You guys act as if Greg always has a made hand whenever he gets his money in. How many all-in hands was he behind in this year and last year that he won? You take two or three of those last year and put Greg on the losing side of those and no one would even be talking about him right now. [/ QUOTE ] Could you post the hands where Raymer cold-called PF and then called the flop for runner-runner to win?
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#116
07-14-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: Raymer Crippled
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[ QUOTE ] Oh, God. You guys act as if Greg always has a made hand whenever he gets his money in. How many all-in hands was he behind in this year and last year that he won? You take two or three of those last year and put Greg on the losing side of those and no one would even be talking about him right now. [/ QUOTE ] Could you post the hands where Raymer cold-called PF and then called the flop for runner-runner to win? [/ QUOTE ] Donkeys alwasy draw.
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#117
07-14-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: Raymer Crippled
Completely agreed, how many great players in this tournament have busted out on worse beats than this. The guy got all hsi money in with the worst hand but at least had a draw at that point, as opposed to the guys who have busted holding AA vs something like JTo (or worse) which I'm sure happend a few times in this tourney.
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#118
07-14-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: Raymer Crippled
And from gutshot:
"Raymer down to $420k after bad beat..."
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#119
07-14-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: Raymer Crippled
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[ QUOTE ] Looks like the end of the road for Raymer.. What a bunch of bullshit... [/ QUOTE ] Bullshit? LOL, how can this be BS? Thousands of other players endured suckouts like this throughout the whole WSOP, but the fact that Raymer finally got his is BS? Lawrence [/ QUOTE ] Seriously. Be a pro and take it like a man. I'm sure Raymer did. I mean, I feel bad for him too but suckouts like that are the reason the tourney is so soft etc etc etc.
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#120
07-14-2005, 08:02 PM
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Re: Raymer Crippled
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Could you post the hands where Raymer cold-called PF and then called the flop for runner-runner to win? [/ QUOTE ] Do we know that Raymer bet the flop and not Kanter? Considering that Kanter pushed the turn, if I read it correctly, I think this is plausible. Raymer has already had to fold a couple of hands where he showed postflop aggression. While Greg got unlucky here, it's not clear from the information that we have that Kanter did anything particularly stupid. EDIT: I've now seen accounts that say Raymer moved in. It obviously makes a big difference whether Kanter was calling or pushing. Or if Kanter raised first and then Raymer pushed over the top, Kanter was almost definitely getting the odds to call at that point.
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