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Old 10-05-2005, 12:17 PM
alul alul is offline
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Default Turned straight being 3-bet

Live 3/6 game, very loose. Both villains (MP1 and Button) are LAGs. I'm delt AKo in EP2.

UTG calls, EP1 calls, EP2 folds, I raise, MP1 cold calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button cold calls, SB folds, all call.

Flop JJQ rainbow (10.5 SB)
BB checks, UTG checks, EP1 checks, I bet, MP1 calls, Button calls, all the rest fold.

Turn T (makes two of flush on the board) (~7 BB)
I bet, M1 raises, Button 3bets, I...

What would you do - call, fold, cap?
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Old 10-05-2005, 12:39 PM
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Interesting hand. You're definitely not folding, but I'd be feeling pretty uncomfortable with my made straight.

If someone flops trips, they rarely raise with it on the flop. People love to "slowplay" trips and raise on the turn. It is possible that both of the raisers have a J - however one of them may have made a worse straight on the turn. If someone has a J they could easily have a full house, since JT and JQ are very likely hands for preflop cold-callers. People love playing JT especially.

I'd love to cap this, but I probably call down.
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Old 10-05-2005, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: Turned straight being 3-bet

Yea, jjq is the type of flop that makes a boat all the more likely. I'd call down, expecting to win a good chunk of the time, but not 50%.
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Old 10-05-2005, 12:56 PM
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Check the flop. Your bet wont win it, and it would be helpful to see the action afterwards.

Fold the turn. There are a ton of ways you are drawing dead, and you suffer from flush redraws on the river.
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Old 10-05-2005, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: Turned straight being 3-bet

I would love to get to showdown as cheaply as possible here. I think you're looking at a boat at least half the time.

Tough spot.
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Old 10-05-2005, 01:45 PM
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... I call, MP1 caps, Button calls, I call.

River 2 (no flush possible) (18 BB)
I check, (strange thing happens) MP1 checks, Button bets, I...

Do you call or fold?
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Old 10-05-2005, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: Turned straight being 3-bet

with the paired abundance of broadway cards, I would probably cap the turn, lead the river, and just call a raise. You might be up against a boat but then again trips or a crappier straight are likely too.
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Old 10-05-2005, 02:36 PM
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This is an obvious call. You have a hand that you can showdown, and the pot is large.
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Old 10-05-2005, 02:45 PM
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I'd call down.

The thing i'm curious about is the flop bet. What exactly does betting this flop accomplish? I just really don't see any reason to auto-bet into 5 opponents on a weak draw, especially in a game like this where nobody is folding. Do we really expect to "free up outs" here?
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Old 10-05-2005, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: Turned straight being 3-bet

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I'd call down.

The thing i'm curious about is the flop bet. What exactly does betting this flop accomplish? I just really don't see any reason to auto-bet into 5 opponents on a weak draw, especially in a game like this where nobody is folding. Do we really expect to "free up outs" here?

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You are right, I obviously misplayed the flop. What do you think was the best way to play on the flop: check/call, check/fold?
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