Plz Let Me Use My NL Instincts and Fold Here

theBruiser500 · #1 03-14-2005, 08:18 AM

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (14.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

From preflop action it's obvious I have a high pocket pair. There are no draws, on the flop at first he has a pocket pair of some sort and bets into me so I raise to drive out the field, but then he 3 bets and his goal is to get as much money in as he can. It's 100% obvious I'm seeing showdown, he must have a 9. Please can i fold this??

TStoneMBD · #2 03-14-2005, 08:27 AM

dont you know that folding is not allowed in limit? him betting into you rather than checkraising, should be a smaller pair often enough to justify calling down.

theBruiser500 · #3 03-14-2005, 08:52 AM

but the 3 bet in conjunction with preflop action and this drawless board doesn't make sense for just a low pocket pair, and it can't be a high pocket pair cause of how he played preflop

TStoneMBD · #4 03-14-2005, 09:10 AM

sorry youre right. im 4tabling atm and didnt see that he 3bet the flop. the fold is alot closer than i realized. in fact, after looking at this a second time i think its closer to a fold than a call down.

whoops.

JoshuaD · #5 03-14-2005, 09:39 AM

I find a fold on the turn here. If not there, then the river when SB overcalls on the turn.

TStoneMBD · #6 03-14-2005, 09:40 AM

hand that just occurred

converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (12.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (15.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 17.16 BB

youngin20 · #7 03-14-2005, 09:47 AM

You can fold this. just fold! of course you SHOULD call the turn, getting 14 to 1 and the calling the river...shrug...its just one bet.....

I like the call down, you have two outs to the nuts (unless he has 99) and maaaaybe you arent beat.

sublime · #8 03-14-2005, 09:53 AM

bruiser-

do you have no read/stats on this guy?

without a ROCK solid read i dont lay this down here.

theBruiser500 · #9 03-14-2005, 10:10 AM

No, but strong gut feeling.

sublime · #10 03-14-2005, 10:52 AM

No, but strong gut feeling.

is your gut feeling upwards of 95% correct?

i mean you cant fold the turn due to you drawing to the nuts and collecting the extra bets if you hit. and folding the river for one extra bet without a solid read in the party 15 just seems wrong to me.

i would rather make a small mistake than a enormous one.