Tricky ladies.

suited_ace · #1 08-19-2005, 12:14 AM

This is from a $10+1. The PF raise is OK?

Would you call Villain's push?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (10 handed) converter

BB (t910)
UTG (t860)
UTG+1 (t680)
UTG+2 (t520)
MP1 (t935)
MP2 (t1355)
MP3 (t1050)
CO (t220)
Hero (t735)
SB (t735)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t250, 2 folds, MP3 calls t200.

Flop: (t575) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets t800 (All-In), Hero?

Nacarno · #2 08-19-2005, 12:22 AM

At a 10+1 I'd call and expect to see a flush draw, a lower pair, or a complete bluff. I'd expect to see each of them more than an A.

unreal_nh · #3 08-19-2005, 12:23 AM

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At a 10+1 I'd call and expect to see a flush draw, a lower pair, or a complete bluff. I'd expect to see each of them more than an A.

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SammyKid11 · #4 08-19-2005, 12:43 AM

I don't see myself calling here, no. Save your chips and hope to put them to use in pushbot time.

starvs · #5 08-19-2005, 02:31 AM

Does someone really go ahead and push here with an ace, over betting the pot? I don't think it's that likley, but at the 11s you really never know what the players rational is. But I would go ahead and call here and expect to see a gutshot draw more than an ace. I really don't see a hand thats beating you just pushing on this flop enough of the time where you have to worry about it.

Jman28 · #6 08-19-2005, 02:34 AM

I usually raise to t200 here, but at if they're gonna call t250 with crappy hands, go for it.

This is an instacall on the flop for me.

yabastid · #7 08-19-2005, 03:07 AM

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At a 10+1 I'd call and expect to see a flush draw, a lower pair, or a complete bluff. I'd expect to see each of them more than an A.

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#8 08-19-2005, 03:22 AM

I would raise less PF (150-200). I would defenitly not call the all in. At the 10's almost EVERY player will play their hand if it has an A in it. And they dont know the value of kickers, so AK is the same as A2, and they play with the same strength.

kong98 · #9 08-19-2005, 03:28 AM

Are you sure this is a 10+1? 10 players at lvl 3 is pretty rare! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I think your PF raise is a bit too big. It looks like a scared QQ/JJ bet. I typically see bets of 150 at lvl 3, so I'd probably just go to 200 to account for the limper. I guess its not that big of a difference, but that's my thought. (It also leaves you with 535 instead of 485 if you run into a disastrous flop)

This is a tough spot. The more I think about it, the less I like it! Do you have a read on MP3? How did he accumulate the chips he's got?

- If he hit his ace, he is pushing all-in to protect against the flush draw and you're drawing to 2 outs.
- If he has the flush-draw, does he really push this? Unless he's been really aggressive, I think he checks here. He's as afraid of the paired aces as you are.

I think this all comes down to your read of MP3. If he's an idiot, I probably call. If he isn't I cry and probably fold.

If you do call, I'd recommend rivering a queen.

nate_king1 · #10 08-19-2005, 03:31 AM

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This is from a $10+1. The PF raise is OK?

Would you call Villain's push?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (10 handed) converter

BB (t910)
UTG (t860)
UTG+1 (t680)
UTG+2 (t520)
MP1 (t935)
MP2 (t1355)
MP3 (t1050)
CO (t220)
Hero (t735)
SB (t735)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t250, 2 folds, MP3 calls t200.

Flop: (t575) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets t800 (All-In), Hero?

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Fold... If there calling the raise chances are likely they have an ace. I'd expect to see Weak Ace here almost all of the time.