reraised early

schwza · #1 09-15-2005, 12:19 PM

no reads yet. i stole last hand on the button and the blinds folded.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t505)
MP1 (t775)
MP2 (t690)
MP3 (t940)
Hero (t890)
Button (t1405)
SB (t655)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t60, 1 fold, SB raises to t200, 1 fold, hero?

Nicholasp27 · #2 09-15-2005, 12:21 PM

i fold

aj isn't a great hand on level 1...and he's shown strength with a reraise...

Rduke55 · #3 09-15-2005, 12:27 PM

I'd fold here. But this is the guy that you just stole from so that may be important.

zambonidrivr · #4 09-15-2005, 12:32 PM

i am folding preflop, without even raising here. if everyone folds, you win 20, with a call or a reraise, you need to improve drastically. at 50+ blinds, i play like you did here, but fold to the reraise, unless villan is a known donkey

bigt439 · #5 09-15-2005, 12:34 PM

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no reads yet. i stole last hand on the button and the blinds folded.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t505)
MP1 (t775)
MP2 (t690)
MP3 (t940)
Hero (t890)
Button (t1405)
SB (t655)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t60, 1 fold, SB raises to t200, 1 fold, hero?

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Definite fold and I don't think it's even close. Think about what he's likely to have, and not just your equity if you saw all five cards right now without betting, but how the betting will go when you're ahead and when you're behind (big reverse implied odds). You may occassionally win a small pot, but you'll lose many more small pots and some big pots. Easy fold. Debateable raise if you're not comfy post flop.

Rduke55 · #6 09-15-2005, 12:46 PM

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no reads yet. i stole last hand on the button and the blinds folded.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t505)
MP1 (t775)
MP2 (t690)
MP3 (t940)
Hero (t890)
Button (t1405)
SB (t655)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t60, 1 fold, SB raises to t200, 1 fold, hero?

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Definite fold and I don't think it's even close. Think about what he's likely to have, and not just your equity if you saw all five cards right now without betting, but how the betting will go when you're ahead and when you're behind (big reverse implied odds). You may occassionally win a small pot, but you'll lose many more small pots and some big pots. Easy fold. Debateable raise if you're not comfy post flop.

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That's two people in a row who don't like the original raise. If you're not raising AJ form late position when it's folded to you then you may be a little weak-tight. Remember you're not just raising to win the blinds, you're also trying to narrow the hands you're up against.

Nicholasp27 · #7 09-15-2005, 01:06 PM

many people don't like to play aj level 1 because they play tight the first 3-4 levels and then open up and steal blinds on later levels

#8 09-15-2005, 01:12 PM

I play extremely tightly the first couple of rounds, but I cant get away from AJ in late position to open. I would have raised to 45, just enough that crap hands wont call, and even BB has to put something in. I think that will get the job done: narrow down the hands you're against. however, it doesnt narrow down as well as a larger raise.

OP: no way in hell I call this reraise. watch him carefully to try and decipher if this was revenge from the steal, or a typical line. Try and see if you can use this same situation to bait him when you've got a much stronger hand.

bigt439 · #9 09-16-2005, 01:27 AM

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no reads yet. i stole last hand on the button and the blinds folded.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t505)
MP1 (t775)
MP2 (t690)
MP3 (t940)
Hero (t890)
Button (t1405)
SB (t655)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t60, 1 fold, SB raises to t200, 1 fold, hero?

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Definite fold and I don't think it's even close. Think about what he's likely to have, and not just your equity if you saw all five cards right now without betting, but how the betting will go when you're ahead and when you're behind (big reverse implied odds). You may occassionally win a small pot, but you'll lose many more small pots and some big pots. Easy fold. Debateable raise if you're not comfy post flop.

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That's two people in a row who don't like the original raise. If you're not raising AJ form late position when it's folded to you then you may be a little weak-tight. Remember you're not just raising to win the blinds, you're also trying to narrow the hands you're up against.

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Bah. I think it was curtains who said that people just love to throw around the term "weak-tight" nowadays. It's true. Folding this is not weak-tight at all. I'm not saying I fold it, but deciding to do so isn't a big deal. It's a margnial situation that you can afford to passon, if you are not comfortable post flop, which I said originally. I don't want to sound like a jack-off, but if you're considering calling this raise preflop, chances are you don't know how to play this hand that well postflop. Hence, my advice for the OP would be to fold pf.