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Old 09-15-2005, 08:20 PM
pshabi pshabi is offline
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Default Why can\'t I win more than a half a f@#$ing bet?

50k+ at $3/6 6-max, various sites.

I have some #s that are out of whack. I'd love to hear some feeback from some winners who can identify some glaring holes.

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Old 09-15-2005, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: Why can\'t I win more than a half a f@#$ing bet?

Here's your two biggest problems:

66% fold when BB. Defend your blinds more...try to bring this number down to 55-60

28% attempt to steal blinds...open up your range (get this number to at least 32)
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: Why can\'t I win more than a half a f@#$ing bet?

* you're folding the BB to steal too much.
* You're aggression is out of wack. You just bet bet bet raise fold. This doesn't work against over aggressive 6-max opponents. You have to give these guys rope and let them hang themselves. You're raising when you should be calling. You're pushing these Aggressive players off their nothing hands. It’s OK to check/call, check/call, check/call sometimes. Flop AF should be more like 2.5-3. Turn ~ 2.
*You're FRB is too high as well.
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Old 09-15-2005, 09:31 PM
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Default Re: Why can\'t I win more than a half a f@#$ing bet?

I agree with what you said in terms of my aggression. I've feel like I'm improving in that area.

I feel like my high FRB and high agg factor are in correlation do to situations where I have AK or some other raising hand in EP. I'll get cold-called by someone in position. I bet, he calls both the flop and turn and I haven't improved. I check the river, they instabet and I fold. That seems to happen a lot.

I'm sure there are many other factors which contribute to this as well. For a while I was letting to many hands w/outs go and wasn't getting to showdown enough. That can [censored] with your AF.

I'm not sure how I can even win since it seems I have some fundamental problems here. It's hard for me to identify specific situations where I am overaggressive.
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Old 09-15-2005, 10:50 PM
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I agree with what you said in terms of my aggression. I've feel like I'm improving in that area.

I feel like my high FRB and high agg factor are in correlation do to situations where I have AK or some other raising hand in EP. I'll get cold-called by someone in position. I bet, he calls both the flop and turn and I haven't improved. I check the river, they instabet and I fold. That seems to happen a lot.

I'm sure there are many other factors which contribute to this as well. For a while I was letting to many hands w/outs go and wasn't getting to showdown enough. That can [censored] with your AF.

I'm not sure how I can even win since it seems I have some fundamental problems here. It's hard for me to identify specific situations where I am overaggressive.

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You're problem is bigger then just aggressively playing overs I think. Say you flop a high top pair (A-Q) with a [censored] kicker or even second pair against aggressive opponents, are you raising to "try to figure out where you are?" Generally, it would be better just to get to showdown.
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Old 09-15-2005, 11:03 PM
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Default Re: Why can\'t I win more than a half a f@#$ing bet?

Thanks.
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Old 09-15-2005, 11:33 PM
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Default Here\'s a hand I just played





Is this too aggro? I want to showdown, right? So it didn't cost me in this particular situation because I didn't bet on the river. Should I have checked the turn?

Ultimate Bet 3/6 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB




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* you're folding the BB to steal too much.
* You're aggression is out of wack. You just bet bet bet raise fold. This doesn't work against over aggressive 6-max opponents. You have to give these guys rope and let them hang themselves. You're raising when you should be calling. You're pushing these Aggressive players off their nothing hands. It’s OK to check/call, check/call, check/call sometimes. Flop AF should be more like 2.5-3. Turn ~ 2.
*You're FRB is too high as well.

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Old 09-15-2005, 11:52 PM
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I'd have bet the river there too and called a raise against an unknown because of the busted draws on board. You shouldn't be checking the turn here. I don't think your problem is in situation like this. You have the initiative here. It's fine to keep betting when you have something. It's when your on the defense already that you might want to consider a more passive line. Don't try to take the initiative from Agr. players who will just Bet-bet-bet with any two.
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Old 09-16-2005, 12:44 AM
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I'd have bet the river there too and called a raise against an unknown because of the busted draws on board. You shouldn't be checking the turn here. I don't think your problem is in situation like this. You have the initiative here. It's fine to keep betting when you have something. It's when your on the defense already that you might want to consider a more passive line. Don't try to take the initiative from Agr. players who will just Bet-bet-bet with any two.

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That last bit seems like a good piece of advice. I think that is something I need to improve.
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: Why can\'t I win more than a half a f@#$ing bet?

Oh yea...your folded to river bet is over 45% ... you're folding/getting pushed off hands wayy too much.
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