K10s badly misplayed

[Duffman]

Everyone in hand is loose/fishy. Not enough hands for stats. Preflop raiser has been raising alot lately.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

I was thinking about raising instead of calling, but decided K10s is too weak of a hand.

After the PFR I was thinking about 3-betting to bloat the pot. Once again I decided K10s is just too weak.

Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.


Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Very bad call here. What was I thinking?

River: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Next time I make a call like this, I'm quitting poker.

Final Pot: 15 BB

[@bsolute_luck]

raise preflop. fold the flop.

[peterchi]

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

I was thinking about raising instead of calling, but decided K10s is too weak of a hand.

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I usually would. Your hand likely has greater equity than either of the limpers, and it's nice to have some control over the action.



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After the PFR I was thinking about 3-betting to bloat the pot. Once again I decided K10s is just too weak.

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hm. I'm not sure what I think about this.




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Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

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I know the pot is pretty big, but... I think I could fold here. I think you need the pot to be even bigger given that the two spades are out there.



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Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Very bad call here. What was I thinking?


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yeah. river too, but you know it already. I guess you posted this so that the flaming would remind you not to do it again, but I'm not very good at being brutal.

[Nick C]

Preflop, I think you can raise the first time around, but I don't think the limp is awful or anything. In any event, when it came back to me, I would probably just call, fearing, for instance, that I might be dominated.

The flop call seems fine to me, but I agree with you that you can release on the turn. Your outs just seem too tainted to me here, in this multiway pot.

I also agree with you that the river over-overcall is not good.

[brettbrettr]

Raise pre-flop.

Someone explain the preflop advice to me. Are we valuing KTs because the limpers are bad players? Against good players and regular bad players, i'd limp with this to coax 5:1 odds aiming for a flush or flush draw. I would have to see consistently poor poker from the limpers to play the KT for paring potential. Am I wrong?

As for the hand, I would call the flop bet getting 12:1, needing about 4 outs which is satisfied by the three useful queens and the BDFD. After the turn I cut out, and if i clicked call by mistake, I'd still fold the river.

[silkyslim]

raising pf might be really good, depending on the limpers and those left to act. I like the flop peel, you have odds for the gutshot dance and a BDFD. FOld on the turn, 3 flushed broadway cards, one being an ace, your pair of K's bad kicker is looking very crappy, 2 pair puts 4 to a straight, and you will probably split your gutshot.

[brettbrettr]

A pair of kings wins it fair share of pots.

[BigBrother]

At this type of table I think it's close between raising and calling pf. You are likely to get cold callers behind so raising is good, but also limping is good since you are more likely to know if you are possibly dominated by a hand would raise after you limp, but will only cold-call your raise.

Once it's been raised, no reraise here because your flush equity is 2nd nuts and your pair equity is dominated.

GSD + BDFD + the likely action behind you = call on the flop.

Fold the turn.

Fold the River.

Do you trust the ten kicker because the limpers are bad, or against good limpers too? I can't like it against average or good players, because either I'm not getting action on my top pair, or paying off a better hand. Wrong?