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Old 04-22-2005, 12:07 PM
Baulucky Baulucky is offline
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Default What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?.

Suited and unsuited please headsup and if the SB comes along.

Edited to add: Unknown or average CO raiser.

Case 1. Headsup.
Case 2. If SB comes along.
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Old 04-22-2005, 12:15 PM
FoodForThought FoodForThought is offline
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?.

It's a function of the PFR% of the CO. Do you mean in the absense of any information?
Oh...didn't see that SB comes along....got to add his style into the equation too.
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Old 04-22-2005, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?.

1. 23o,23s
2. K2o,...,T8o, XXs.
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Old 04-22-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?.

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1. 23o,23s
2. K2o,...,T8o, XXs.

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You defend your big blind against a cutoff raiser with 23o?
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Old 04-22-2005, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?.

Lemme just say that peter_rus doesn't like to get stolen from. And no matter if you only showdown AA vs him from the button, every time you raise his blind he will assume you're stealing :-D
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Old 04-22-2005, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?.

when do you 3 bet vs call
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Old 04-22-2005, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?

This is hugely situational. Heads up I 3bet almost all pocket pairs and all the A high hands I'll bother to defend (i.e. i'm folding A4o, not calling or 3betting)
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?.

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You defend your big blind against a cutoff raiser with 23o?

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Yes, if his ASB is greater than 30%.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:29 PM
Nate tha' Great Nate tha' Great is offline
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?

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You defend your big blind against a cutoff raiser with 23o?

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Yes, if his ASB is greater than 30%.

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Peter,

You better show us some maths, bro.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:38 PM
Peter_rus Peter_rus is offline
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Default Re: What\'s the lowest hands you defend BB against a CO raiser at PP15?

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You better show us some maths, bro.

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I have no math on this one. I have my stats that show that calling with complete trash against such PFR leading to loose around 0.42bb/h instead of -0.5bb/h by just folding. I really could be running good earlier as sample of these actions is around 2K hands only but i find that i want to experiment with this and currently it's just a hypothesis i try to prove or break. Anyway i think folding any 2 against aggressive stealer is pretty more close than we all think.
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