Any Way Out?

Spladle Master · #1 12-24-2005, 07:11 AM

7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls

5th Street - (8.35 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (11.35 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___raises___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls

River - (19.35 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___raises

Total pot: (23.35 BB)

Results:
Main Pot: $464 | Rake: $3

Seat 5: [ 5h 4h 7s 8h Kd 6h Js ] [ LO: 8,7,6,5,4 | HI: a straight, four to eight -- 8h,7s,6h,5h,4h ]

Seat 6: [ Tc 8c 6c 4c 7d 3c Kh ] [ LO: 8,7,6,4,3 | HI: a flush, ten high -- Tc,8c,6c,4c,3c ]

As it turns out, I made a bad fold here. I know I'm being results-oriented here, I just need you guys to re-assure me of it.

Andy B · #2 12-24-2005, 10:48 AM

You might consider folding third, either on the first pass or when it gets completed behind you. Definitely check fourth. When you bet and it's raised and re-raised behind you, it's time to abandon ship. I presume you bet into the raiser to gain information. Well, use it.

Fifth is a fold as well. I would call one bet on sixth and not really like it, but your hand can't take that kind of pressure.

mscags · #3 12-24-2005, 01:53 PM

Third should be a fold IMHO. You have a weak hand and your aces are dead. Not to mention this game has a tigh structure.

Fold fourth. I def dont like a bet here unless you are gonna use that info to see where you are at. Def a fold when it comes two back to you.

Fifth, just fold right away and save yourself some money.

Scags

MichaelOar · #4 12-24-2005, 02:43 PM

The other two guys have covered this one already, but again:

3rd--This is a very borderline hand. I think many people overvalue these sorts of disconnected razz hands. With a 2 dead aces to boot, I think I'd probably fold.

4th--The bet here is bad. The 82o board isn't going to scare anyone. The raise by 64 is almost automatic here.

5th--Time to surrender. Even if you hit your low or 6th st, you won't be able to bet it. You're going to be stuck calling $60 to get to a showdown, and you'll have no idea where you're at until the cards are flipped over.

Michael

Spladle Master · #5 12-25-2005, 09:58 PM

Wow, you guys fold a lot. I didn't even consider it until sixth, and even then I was close to calling down. I guess I didn't make it clear how batshit the game was playing at the time.

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
8d 5d Ah 67376 109130 390654 216 197046 67594 507 0.338
7s 5h 4h 80816 151201 348556 243 153857 42036 505 0.337
Tc 8c 6c 65684 239360 260480 160 30567 37768 176 0.325

8d 5d Ah 2h 33867 52845 446997 158 299533 65013 194 0.357
7s 8h 5h 4h 43171 134141 364910 949 130270 214095 665 0.272
Tc 8c 6c 4c 40928 312037 187115 848 41550 87898 511 0.370

2s 8d 5d Ah 2h 44483 82038 417962 0 258013 29875 30 0.353
7s Kd 8h 5h 4h 27830 101861 394672 3467 112890 150959 3097 0.225
Tc 8c 6c 4c 7d 73006 312634 183899 3467 79548 162486 3067 0.422

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
2s 8d 5d 3d Ah 2h 0 0 21924 0 16446 5478 0 0.375
7s Kd 8h 6h 5h 4h 0 3537 18360 27 2634 19206 84 0.142
Tc 8c 6c 4c 3c 7d 2230 18360 3537 27 2760 19080 84 0.483

MichaelOar · #6 12-25-2005, 11:34 PM

I don't think that stats on the hand are particularly helpful, since you cannot possibly put Tc8c6c on his hand (maybe you could after observing him for a while, but from an outside perspective I certainly couldn't). If he has premium low draw (like he should have here), you are in much worse shape. I would be inclined to dump early because you cannot ever jam the pot, and you'll be playing "showdown surprise" poker. I don't think that's the best way to get the money in stud/8.

Just my 2 cents,
Michael

benwood · #7 12-26-2005, 12:12 AM

3rd:The first call is questionable at best,especially in this ante structure.Then,you should throw your hand away after the completion.

4th:I really don't mind this bet.Even though seat 6's board looks fierce,on 3rd he did call the completion in last position after being the bring-in.But,after the raise & re-raise,you've got to be out of there.

5th:Fold it.You're getting in deeper & deeper.

6th:Reassurement needed?Good fold.