25-50, KK, I am lost on the turn

creedofhubris · #1 10-10-2005, 04:56 PM

Decent player open raises from UTG+1. One caller. I make it 3 bets from MP+1 with KK. BB calls, UTG caps, four to a flop.

Flop:

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UTG bets, I raise, everyone calls.

Turn:

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UTG checks, I check, another player, who is tight/passive and has 100 behind after the bet, bets, a fold, UTG raises.

At this point, it's 100 to me into a 900 pot. I am certain that I am behind and have no idea what my outs are (besides the A.)

Comments? Suggestions?

About the only street I'm sure of is preflop.

Borodog · #2 10-10-2005, 05:09 PM

The best case scenario is that you have 3 outs to split the pot. I'd fold.

goofball · #3 10-10-2005, 05:27 PM

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The best case scenario is that you have 3 outs to split the pot. I'd fold.

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That sounds like the worst case scenario, maybe the most likely scenario too, but still.

#4 10-10-2005, 05:13 PM

call for a stiraght and fold river UI. Looks like your up against a set here, JJ QQ. If someone already had the goods with AK so be it

Borodog · #5 10-10-2005, 05:22 PM

I could see this call better without the tight, passive player who just came alive behind me. I think the chances that you are going to get jammed in makes this a fold. But I'm a pussy.

By the way, I lead the turn. Maybe I'm dumb, as well as a pussy.

Borodog · #6 10-10-2005, 05:25 PM

Wait a minute. The turn action makes no sense. Hero should have position according to the PF action. How does the "tight, passive" player bet after Hero checks?

If I have position, I check behind on the turn, as the only legitimate capping hand I'm against that I can still beat is the other KK, maybe AQs, depending on what he thinks of my 3 bets.

#7 10-10-2005, 05:28 PM

edit: foget this, wasn't lookin at position

Borodog · #8 10-10-2005, 05:36 PM

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Tight passive players usually wont bet AK here but try to slowplay it, looks much more like AQ and I suspect he just calls the raise. UTG I have on QQ JJ

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Boggle. Are you saying that "tight, passive" players won't bet <font color="black">the nuts</font> on the turn 3 handed with a flush draw on the board against two players who have been aggressively betting and raising?

JaysonWeberFCP · #9 10-10-2005, 05:36 PM

UTG Takes it down with QQ or AKs? This sucks.

Getting 9-1 w/ a guy all-in who can't 3-bet. Do you think you can peel here? My roommate wants to peel all the time, I'm more cautious.

Borodog · #10 10-10-2005, 05:43 PM

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UTG Takes it down with QQ or AKs? This sucks.

Getting 9-1 w/ a guy all-in who can't 3-bet. Do you think you can peel here? My roommate wants to peel all the time, I'm more cautious.

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But he's not all-in after the bet. He has $100 behind after the turn bet. He can call the UTG c/r ($50), and reraise his last $50. Then the UTG player can cap, forcing you to call another 2 called, for a total of $1100:$200 with extremely dubious outs to a possibly split pot.

I might call if the guy behind me (and I still don't see how he got behind us; did he call 3 cold preflop? He must have. That screams AK to me from a tight, passive player) was actually all in, and I couldn't get jammed in.