approximating pot odds for a hand

#1 12-02-2005, 03:51 AM

In hold'em you can approximate your odds after the flop using the rule of four, or two on the turn. Is there any equivalent to this for stud to help out the non-mathematicians among us?

peritonlogon · #2 12-02-2005, 05:03 AM

NO easy way...
However, this way is a touch easier on 6th st.

stud probability coefficients

If you do some searches in the archives for DOC AZ you might find more than just 6th st play....

It takes a lot of work to get a good feel for stud and odds are much harder to get exact when you're playing since you do not share any cards.

Roland · #3 12-02-2005, 07:20 AM

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I think you mean outs, not odds.

#4 12-02-2005, 03:33 PM

no i meant odds. for instance if i'm playing and i have an open ended straight draw (8 outs) on fifth street and it's 1BB into a pot with 8BB in it, 8-1 on my money, am i getting better than 8-1 to improve with my hand? in hold'em on the flop i'd just multiply 8x4 = 32, 100 - 32 = 68/32 = roughly 2-1. hope that clarifies my question some.

Roland · #5 12-02-2005, 03:40 PM

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in hold'em on the flop i'd just multiply 8x4 = 32, 100 - 32 = 68/32 = roughly 2-1.

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Could you explain this to me? I suck at holdem…

#6 12-02-2005, 04:10 PM

I have no idea what you are doing ... since is fairly easy to memorize the odds for hitting 1 to 20 outs I never bothered doing any calculations while playing ... but is seemes about right (and at the same time strikes me a bit over the hill)

I suck at Stud

#7 12-02-2005, 04:17 PM

multiply your outs on the flop by four, the turn by two to give you a percentage that is pretty accurate. not exact but it works on the fly. then subtract that percentage from 100. Divide the remainder by the percentage of your hand improving to give you your odds. Compare to the odds that the pot is giving you on your bet. the holdem forum is probably full of a lot better info though

preiserone · #8 12-02-2005, 06:02 PM

Try Otmer's book, he's got all the numbers you could ever want.

Roland · #9 12-02-2005, 06:28 PM

I think you’ve got some kind of misconception about all this. I don’t have time now though, so I’ll get back to you tomorrow.

dandy_don · #10 12-02-2005, 07:07 PM

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Try Otmer's book, he's got all the numbers you could ever want.

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More than I can remember...great stud book though.