Folding aces is hard

Transference · #1 07-27-2005, 05:06 AM

Villian is 66/23/.7 over a small sample. I think I need to lay this down on either the turn or river...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (12.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

maxpowers21 · #2 07-27-2005, 08:00 AM

i think the line is good. If you have some substantial read that villian is very passive then i will start to consider folding to a turn-3-bet, but thats really the only street that is worth discussing.

Well played, most likley bad result.

Tropex · #3 07-27-2005, 08:28 AM

He only called your third bet preflop, that could put him on something like AQ, AT, maybe 99 (worst case after AK). I don't think he'd have AK [he would've capped it, no? nor QQ]. Pathological cases are TT and JJ, maybe QJs. I think this is how I would've played it as well. River is obvious call and I think folding the turn would also be a mistake most of the time since even if you're against two pair, you still have some outs for the river to pair the board and give you two pair as well.

I don't think you should lay this down... Then again, I get married to my aces too often as well.

RunDownHouse · #4 07-27-2005, 08:35 AM

Folding to the turn 3bet is pretty bad.

Fiddler · #5 07-27-2005, 08:46 AM

The river is probably a good fold but you can not fold on the turn when you are getting 12:1 after the 3-bet.

spamuell · #6 07-27-2005, 08:57 AM

I don't raise the turn, I think you get 3-bet too often and end up paying off and the turn card was a very scary one, it just made quite a few hands.

spamuell · #7 07-27-2005, 10:33 AM

Am I the only one who doesn't raise the turn?

StellarWind · #8 07-27-2005, 12:57 PM

The turn raise seems close. I wouldn't object to playing it either way.

Folding the turn 3-bet with a gutshot and many other potential outs is absolutely terrible.

Nor would I even consider folding AA at 13-1 on the river.

JrJordan · #9 07-27-2005, 01:05 PM

Can't fold the turn because of the gutshot outs, and I don't think a K splits it for you because he would've capped AK preflop. Getting 13.2:1 on the river, I don't think calling is a huge mistake with any overpair HU. I play it the same.

1800GAMBLER · #10 07-27-2005, 01:07 PM

If i raise the turn here i fold the river if he 3 bets and leads the river. Insane in this game? This line just seems too strange for KQ, he realised he was beat on the flop but then wanted to go bet-3 bet (rather than c/r) because of his newfound draw? Shrug, doesn't matter much either way.