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#2
11-25-2004, 05:28 PM
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Re: do these games exist in toronto?
IIRC, the Brantford game died out pretty quickly because they offered it every day that people wanted to play it. Although Toronto is a very large city, it simply lacks the poker player population to support this game on a daily basis.
That, and Brantford sucks. As Gamblor put it, it's like playing poker inside of an airplane hanger. A glittery, noisy airplane hanger. -Diplomat 
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#3
11-25-2004, 05:25 PM
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Re: do these games exist in toronto?
This hand didn't happen in Toronto, but I do know of stakes up to 300-600, if you don't mind club games. 50-100, 75-150, and sometimes 100-200 go every Tuesday at Great Blue Heron. Almost every time I go, there is one 50-100 and one 75-150 or 100-200 going.
-Diplomat
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#5
11-25-2004, 05:31 PM
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Re: 45s 200-400 hand
Actually, everything post flop makes me wonder...there are a few other lines I could have taken, and would really like to hear your thoughts. Other options would have been to bet the flop; to bet the turn; or checkraise the turn and 5-bet the river. Thoughts? Other ideas?
-Diplomat
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#6
11-26-2004, 02:10 AM
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Re: 45s 200-400 hand
sometimes 3 bet preflop. calling is fine/standard. folding would be atrocious.
flop: i wouldve checkraised the flop. if you are calling the flop w/ an eye to checkraising the turn no matter what that is fine too. turn: good. river: perfect.
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#7
11-26-2004, 02:51 AM
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Re: 45s 200-400 hand
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sometimes 3 bet preflop. calling is fine/standard. folding would be atrocious. flop: i wouldve checkraised the flop. if you are calling the flop w/ an eye to checkraising the turn no matter what that is fine too. turn: good. river: perfect. [/ QUOTE ] 3 betting preflop is horrible.
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#8
11-26-2004, 04:21 AM
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Re: 45s 200-400 hand
"3 betting preflop is horrible."
no it's not. doing it at least once in awhile, especially when the preflop raiser is a clown, reraising here is a good idea. it adds significant deception to your game/image and may even set up a play on that precise hand since preflop raiser is possibly raising light and callers may be coming in light knowing that. since youre calling anyway, a good player can 3 bet here and loses very little EV wise when you factor in meta hand considerations. if you reraise 54s here all the time you are a fool of course but if you never reraise 54s here you are missing out on something good.
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#9
11-26-2004, 09:16 AM
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Re: 45s 200-400 hand
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"3 betting preflop is horrible." no it's not. doing it at least once in awhile, especially when the preflop raiser is a clown, reraising here is a good idea. it adds significant deception to your game/image and may even set up a play on that precise hand since preflop raiser is possibly raising light and callers may be coming in light knowing that. since youre calling anyway, a good player can 3 bet here and loses very little EV wise when you factor in meta hand considerations. if you reraise 54s here all the time you are a fool of course but if you never reraise 54s here you are missing out on something good. [/ QUOTE ] Out of position with a hand that it that rarely makes it to a showdown seems like a bad time to make an image play.
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#10
11-26-2004, 01:50 PM
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Re: 45s 200-400 hand
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Out of position with a hand that it that rarely makes it to a showdown seems like a bad time to make an image play. [/ QUOTE ] I would imagine that the counter-argument is that this is exactly why it's an effective image play (should it get shown down). If you open-raise in early position with 87s occassionally, I would expect that observant high-limit players wouldn't be terribly impressed; instead they would say "meh, obvious image play". But if this gets shown down, people will really take notice. None of this is to say that I would ever make this reraise. I'm just to trying to guess why it might make sense on rare occassion against observant high-limit players. If the opponents are as clueless as many of the people in my local mid-limit games, then I would hate the reraise. I make virtually no "image plays" in my $20/40 game because just my normal game involves enough plays that suprise my opponents and change their image of me since they don't understand the game that well. I remember recently raising A8s in the cutoff after a very weak player had limped early and everyone else had folded. The big blind called as well and we saw an 889 flop three-handed. Long story short, at the showdown, the big blind is staring at my hand and shaking his head saying "I just didn't think he would raise with that".
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