Big street decision

sfer · #1 12-15-2005, 09:19 AM

20/40 Borgata, 10 handed. I raise interracial KK UTG, folds to the BB who scans the table quickly and calls.

Flop is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5x 3x. Check, bet, call.

Turn is the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Check, bet, checkraise. He's one of few players at the table capable capable of making this raise on the turn with a hand I beat. Should I raise now or call and raise a blankish river and why?

Evan · #2 12-15-2005, 09:24 AM

I'd 3 bet the turn. It's hard to win less with that line, but if a scary river card comes off he may check and foil your plan.

mikeyKay · #3 12-15-2005, 09:28 AM

raise now...he could be making a move with a flush draw or some straight draw, or a hand that you are just flat out beating, which means its time to collect some bets while you still can.

-mike

thejameser · #4 12-15-2005, 09:49 AM

mr. daver,

he may have a 9, a lower pp or may be semibluffing with a heart draw or gutshot. i would like a raise now. especially given your read.

shant · #5 12-15-2005, 01:28 PM

If you 3-bet and he caps, and the river does not improve your hand, do you call a river bet? What if the river is a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

#6 12-15-2005, 03:58 PM

Shant's question is special - I'd say this is a question of feel and table image, really. If player is aggro and is capable of four betting to try to pick you off on the river (that's a rare aggro), well, call, call. If not, you may laydown the river, though even this is very hard. Gotta raise the turn though, get price in if he's on a draw.

Argun

sfer · #7 12-15-2005, 10:30 PM

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If you 3-bet and he caps, and the river does not improve your hand, do you call a river bet?

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I don't plan on calling a turn 4-bet.

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What if the river is a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

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Bummer.

shant · #8 12-15-2005, 11:32 PM

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If you 3-bet and he caps, and the river does not improve your hand, do you call a river bet?

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I don't plan on calling a turn 4-bet.

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Thanks. That makes more sense to me. In this case, I prefer the raise the river and fold to 3-bet line. It feels like your opponent will be playing their hand more honestly on the river so being reraised there means more.

barry.egan · #9 12-16-2005, 02:28 PM

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If you 3-bet and he caps, and the river does not improve your hand, do you call a river bet?

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I don't plan on calling a turn 4-bet.

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If you're willing to just call the C/R because it gives you the chance to suckout when behind, then you have to call a 4-bet for the same reason.

Also, if your read on this player says that he's aggressive and good(although you didn't specifically say this in OP) enough to make this move with a hand you beat on the turn, then I think he is probably capable of picking up on your defensive turn call and might try to capitalize on your plan to fold to a 3-bet on the river. This all depends on your opponent, but I'm just throwing that out there.

My inclination is to 3-bet the turn and if you get popped, buckle in and trust your read on the river. (assuming your two-outer doesn't hit)

Evan · #10 12-16-2005, 02:42 PM

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If you're willing to just call the C/R because it gives you the chance to suckout when behind, then you have to call a 4-bet for the same reason.

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That is a very small part of the reason to just call the check raise and it would be the only reason to call the 4 bet. The pot is not big enough to call the 4 bet based on sucking out.