KQs - how to play (scary) river

pokernicus · #1 10-18-2005, 03:32 AM

Comments on all streets are welcome, though I'm specifically interested in thoughts on how to play this on the river.

My read is that the villain plays semi-loose, and tends to be aggressive when he has a made hand (but otherwise seems pretty passive). I feel confident that I am ahead through the turn, but the T on the river is not a pleasant card as the board is now highly coordinated.

Am I better off checking or betting?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, SB folds.

River: (5.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero??

milesdyson · #2 10-18-2005, 03:34 AM

raise preflop and bet the river. if he raises do you think you have the best hand often enough to call? pot will be 8.5 bets by that time, but i think he'll have at least two pair here with a hand like JT/8T/QT or he'll have been calling you down with the gutshot. i would not call a raise.

jaxUp · #3 10-18-2005, 03:37 AM

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raise preflop and bet the river. if he raises do you think you have the best hand often enough to call? pot will be 8.5 bets by that time, but i think he'll have at least two pair here with a hand like JT/8T/QT or he'll have been calling you down with the gutshot. i would not call a raise.

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analysis validated.

Shillx · #4 10-18-2005, 03:43 AM

You know what is funny? I have flopped quads twice today and have ended up with quads a total of four times. I also bet scary rivers those times that I don't actually have quads, but I find that making quads is a lot more fun.

SCfuji · #5 10-18-2005, 04:01 AM

so you are actually making it into the money dude???

Shillx · #6 10-18-2005, 04:01 AM

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so you are actually making it into the money dude???

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My ROI today is 196% [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

That is like having a winrate of 20 bb/100. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

#7 10-18-2005, 04:04 AM

Preflop: I'd raise that.
Flop: I'd play it the same.
Turn: I'd play it the same.
River: I'd bet and fold to a raise.

pokernicus · #8 10-18-2005, 04:24 AM

A couple of people have advocated raising pre-flop. If the game were loose, then I agree that it makes sense. In this case the game was relatively tight (usually about 3 to a flop). The starting hand guidelines in SSHE suggest limping with KQs in this case.

Any thoughts on deciding between limping vs. raising w/ KQs?

P.S. Is it me or are the games at party considered tight by SSHE stanadards (i.e., 3-5 people to a flop on average vs. 6-8 people for a loose game)?

slipoker · #9 10-18-2005, 04:53 AM

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P.S. Is it me or are the games at party considered tight by SSHE stanadards (i.e., 3-5 people to a flop on average vs. 6-8 people for a loose game)?

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You have to search for the loose tables, but Party has by far the most of them.

TomBrooks · #10 10-18-2005, 03:05 PM

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raise preflop and bet the river. if he raises do you think you have the best hand often enough to call? pot will be 8.5 bets by that time, but i think he'll have at least two pair here with a hand like JT/8T/QT or he'll have been calling you down with the gutshot. i would not call a raise.

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