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11-03-2005, 06:59 PM
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88 heads-up
BB is basically unknown, but lets say over a small sample he's semi-competent. He's probably a little too loose and average or slightly above average aggression wise.
5 handed Folded to you on the Button, where you raise 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], SB folds, BB 3-bets, you call. Heads up to the flop, 6 small bets Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB bets, you call Heads up to the turn, 4 big bets Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] BB bets... Do you play pre-flop or the flop differently? What's the plan from the turn on? 
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#3
11-03-2005, 07:06 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
I think I remember CDC saying it's good to cap preflop with 88 every once in a while for metagame/inducing mistakes on ace-high flops, but I don't think that's really applicable at this level. So I almost always call the raise pf.
I'd raise the flop basically all the time.
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#4
11-03-2005, 07:06 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
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I can see some people who would cap preflop. As for me, against most I would call, but would definitely raise that flop. [/ QUOTE ] Raising the flop is definetely a solid option. How does a flop raise compare to a turn raise as far as the way the hand is likely to play out when considering the BB's range of hands? (You know what I mean?)
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#5
11-03-2005, 07:10 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
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How does a flop raise compare to a turn raise as far as the way the hand is likely to play out when considering the BB's range of hands? (You know what I mean?) [/ QUOTE ] I'm not really sure what you mean? I'm raising the flop for value and protection with a likely good but vulnerable hand. Are you thinking you're more likely to fold a better hand with a turn raise?
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#6
11-03-2005, 07:15 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
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[ QUOTE ] How does a flop raise compare to a turn raise as far as the way the hand is likely to play out when considering the BB's range of hands? (You know what I mean?) [/ QUOTE ] I'm not really sure what you mean? I'm raising the flop for value and protection with a likely good but vulnerable hand. Are you thinking you're more likely to fold a better hand with a turn raise? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I seem to have a habit, especially when I'm heads-up, of not raising the flop very much. I'm sure it's correct to wait sometimes, but I'm afraid I'm probably over-doing it.
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#7
11-03-2005, 07:43 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] How does a flop raise compare to a turn raise as far as the way the hand is likely to play out when considering the BB's range of hands? (You know what I mean?) [/ QUOTE ] I'm not really sure what you mean? I'm raising the flop for value and protection with a likely good but vulnerable hand. Are you thinking you're more likely to fold a better hand with a turn raise? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know about a better hand, but there's certainly the possibility of getting him to fold a 6-outer with a turn raise. When you raise the flop, villian is going to see the river with overs pretty much always.
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#8
11-03-2005, 07:38 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
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[ QUOTE ] I can see some people who would cap preflop. As for me, against most I would call, but would definitely raise that flop. [/ QUOTE ] Raising the flop is definetely a solid option. How does a flop raise compare to a turn raise as far as the way the hand is likely to play out when considering the BB's range of hands? (You know what I mean?) [/ QUOTE ] I'd rather raise the flop here because there are a lot of cards I don't want to see, and putting in one BB on the flop, and one BB on the turn to check behind the river is cheaper than putting in 1 SB on the flop, and 2 BB on the turn to do the same.
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#9
11-03-2005, 08:41 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can see some people who would cap preflop. As for me, against most I would call, but would definitely raise that flop. [/ QUOTE ] Raising the flop is definetely a solid option. How does a flop raise compare to a turn raise as far as the way the hand is likely to play out when considering the BB's range of hands? (You know what I mean?) [/ QUOTE ] I'd rather raise the flop here because there are a lot of cards I don't want to see, and putting in one BB on the flop, and one BB on the turn to check behind the river is cheaper than putting in 1 SB on the flop, and 2 BB on the turn to do the same. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly the kind of stuff I was hoping for when I posted this hand. My concern though, (and maybe it's unfounded), is being forced to lay down the best hand. If I raise the flop it's possible, (though maybe not common), for this guy to 3-bet and lead at me on the turn w/ AK. (Especially considering that he likely thinks I'm stealing with a pretty wide range.) If I just call the flop and then raise the turn, it makes raising w/ AK a lot more difficult for him, and it makes it easier for me to lay down my 8's if he takes this line. There's a lot more to this situation that I know I'm not covering. Just kinda thinking out loud. Thanks for the replies so far.
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#10
11-03-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: 88 heads-up
I raise the flop here most of the time, but on occasion I just call the flop and raise the turn, then check behind on the river UI.
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