Heads Up Strategy Question

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In an attempt to expand my horizons I've started to play some heads up and have a strategy question...

Lately, I've been watching "beebopaloobop" (UB)/"Dreamclown" (Pokerroom) play a lot as he's a very good heads up player.

From the BB he NEVER reraises. Obviously, this disguises his hands well and he's checkraising a ton of flops.

Any thoughts on this as being optimal or sub-optimal? Is the rationale just deception and figuring the deception postflop will garner you more bets?

Thanks for any thoughts,

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[cartman]

Do you mean he never raises when it is open-completed or also that he never 3-bets an open-raise or both?

Cartman

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Do you mean he never raises when it is open-completed or also that he never 3-bets an open-raise or both?

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Well, he's playing 200/400-500/1000 so I haven't seen any opponents open complete at that level. I just meant he never 3-bets an open-raise.

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[oreogod]

yeah just for kicks, I datamined most of the session between him/them (whoever they/he is) and neverwin. I noticed that right off, the guy just never 3bets his bb. Neverwin played close to how I do preflop compared to dreamclown.

I havent really looked at that session, so I dont remember if he'd call and float postflop or not, but yeah, never 3bets the bb.

[oreogod]

yeah just looked in PT. I can only see the hands that were shown at showdown, but u filter for BB, any raise. And it pulls up nothing as far as the hands that made it to showdown.

Just to make it clear, we are talking every BB hand here, AK, any ace, KK, QQ...EVERYTHING. He just calls. thats so crazy.

Id be intrested on the effect this strategy would have HU against another good player.


Here are a few intresting hands:


Hand #10102514-1322 at Lenexa ($100/$200 Hold'em)
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Started at 08/Dec/05 04:08:40

beebopaloobop is at seat 0 with $12587.50.
wwwnvrwinpkr is at seat 1 with $26942.50.
The button is at seat 1.

wwwnvrwinpkr posts the small blind of $50.
beebopaloobop posts the big blind of $100.

beebopaloobop: -- --
wwwnvrwinpkr: -- --

Pre-flop:

wwwnvrwinpkr raises to $200. beebopaloobop calls.

Flop (board: Jd 5h 4d):

beebopaloobop checks. wwwnvrwinpkr bets $100.
beebopaloobop raises to $200. wwwnvrwinpkr re-raises
to $300. beebopaloobop re-raises to $400.
wwwnvrwinpkr calls.

Turn (board: Jd 5h 4d 3d):

beebopaloobop bets $200. wwwnvrwinpkr raises to $400.
beebopaloobop calls.

River (board: Jd 5h 4d 3d Kd):

beebopaloobop bets $200. wwwnvrwinpkr calls.



Showdown:

beebopaloobop shows 5d Ah.
beebopaloobop has 5d Jd 4d 3d Kd: flush, king high.
wwwnvrwinpkr mucks cards.


Hand #10102514-1322 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $2400.
beebopaloobop wins $2399.50 with flush, king high.
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Hand #10102514-1480 at Lenexa ($100/$200 Hold'em)
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Started at 08/Dec/05 04:43:01

beebopaloobop is at seat 0 with $14555.50.
wwwnvrwinpkr is at seat 1 with $24904.50.
The button is at seat 1.

wwwnvrwinpkr posts the small blind of $50.
beebopaloobop posts the big blind of $100.

beebopaloobop: -- --
wwwnvrwinpkr: -- --

Pre-flop:

wwwnvrwinpkr raises to $200. beebopaloobop calls.

Flop (board: 5h 6h 3s):

beebopaloobop checks. wwwnvrwinpkr bets $100.
beebopaloobop raises to $200. wwwnvrwinpkr calls.

Turn (board: 5h 6h 3s 6c):

beebopaloobop checks. wwwnvrwinpkr checks.

River (board: 5h 6h 3s 6c Th):

beebopaloobop checks. wwwnvrwinpkr bets $200.
beebopaloobop calls.



Showdown:

wwwnvrwinpkr shows 4c 9s.
wwwnvrwinpkr has 9s 5h 6h 6c Th: a pair of sixes.
beebopaloobop shows 2s Ad.
beebopaloobop has Ad 5h 6h 6c Th: a pair of sixes, ace/ten kickers.


Hand #10102514-1480 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $1200.
beebopaloobop wins $1199.50 with a pair of sixes.
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Hand #10102514-1674 at Lenexa ($100/$200 Hold'em)
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Started at 08/Dec/05 05:21:42

beebopaloobop is at seat 0 with $11171.
wwwnvrwinpkr is at seat 1 with $28209.50.
The button is at seat 1.

wwwnvrwinpkr posts the small blind of $50.
beebopaloobop posts the big blind of $100.

beebopaloobop: -- --
wwwnvrwinpkr: -- --

Pre-flop:

wwwnvrwinpkr raises to $200. beebopaloobop calls.

Flop (board: 2d Ad 8h):

beebopaloobop checks. wwwnvrwinpkr bets $100.
beebopaloobop raises to $200. wwwnvrwinpkr re-raises
to $300. beebopaloobop re-raises to $400.
wwwnvrwinpkr calls.

Turn (board: 2d Ad 8h 6s):

beebopaloobop bets $200. wwwnvrwinpkr calls.

River (board: 2d Ad 8h 6s 5d):

beebopaloobop checks. wwwnvrwinpkr checks.



Showdown:

beebopaloobop shows 8c Kd.
beebopaloobop has 8c Kd Ad 8h 6s: a pair of eights.
wwwnvrwinpkr mucks cards.


Hand #10102514-1674 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $1600.
beebopaloobop wins $1599.50 with a pair of eights.
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Hand #10102514-1052 at Lenexa ($100/$200 Hold'em)
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Started at 08/Dec/05 03:05:02

beebopaloobop is at seat 0 with $29337.
wwwnvrwinpkr is at seat 1 with $10310.50.
The button is at seat 1.

wwwnvrwinpkr posts the small blind of $50.
beebopaloobop posts the big blind of $100.

beebopaloobop: -- --
wwwnvrwinpkr: -- --

Pre-flop:

wwwnvrwinpkr raises to $200. beebopaloobop calls.

Flop (board: 3h 6c 8c):

beebopaloobop checks. wwwnvrwinpkr bets $100.
beebopaloobop raises to $200. wwwnvrwinpkr calls.

Turn (board: 3h 6c 8c 8d):

beebopaloobop bets $200. wwwnvrwinpkr raises to $400.
beebopaloobop calls.

River (board: 3h 6c 8c 8d 6s):

beebopaloobop bets $200. wwwnvrwinpkr calls.



Showdown:

beebopaloobop shows Td 9d.
beebopaloobop has Td 6c 8c 8d 6s: two pair, eights and sixes.
wwwnvrwinpkr shows 5s As.
wwwnvrwinpkr has As 6c 8c 8d 6s: two pair, eights and sixes, ace kicker.


Hand #10102514-1052 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $2000.
wwwnvrwinpkr wins $1999.50 with two pair, eights and sixes.
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Bumpers

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[MarkD]

Not to side track this too much but where are you playing head's up poker and at what stakes? I'd like to play some at the 10-20 to 15-30 level. At party/stars you are lucky to get a few hands in before someone else joins the table.

[Catt]

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Not to side track this too much but where are you playing head's up poker and at what stakes? I'd like to play some at the 10-20 to 15-30 level. At party/stars you are lucky to get a few hands in before someone else joins the table.

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I haven't played the games (and so there's a small chance they have the button in the wrong place), but Pokerroom (and skins like Euro) usuallly have a number of HU tables going at those levels.

[wheelz]

prima has 10/20 and 20/40 HU tables

[bugstud]

I think it's a very viable idea, but against some players that would often go 4-6 pf with junk...you're probably missing out a bit.