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11-29-2005, 03:17 PM
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10/20 shorthanded: raised on the turn with top 2
2100 effective stacks. Opponent in this hand is solid, better than me shorthanded and heads-up. He's loose and capable of mixing it up, though against me he usually plays pretty ABC. Against me he likes to make a lot of small value bets and raises with big hands, since he knows that I don't call huge bets that often.
Villain is tilting a bit after losing a stack to a donkey, but he's in general quite capable of making laydowns. 4-handed. I make it 60 UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain calls from BB. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 70, villain calls. Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 150, he makes it 350. Based on my action, I think villain puts me squarely on an ace. My read is that villain is unlikely to be on a draw himself, he either makes his move with those on the flop or check/calls all the way. 
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#2
11-29-2005, 03:25 PM
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Re: 10/20 shorthanded: raised on the turn with top 2
Call his raise, call any reasonable river bet, or bet any non-spade if he checks. If he pushes on a spade river you will probably have to fold, but you only have to worry about that 18% of the time.
You probable have the better hand, but if you put in the third bet on the turn to deter a flush draw you will probably not get any more value from lower 2 pair and will commit your stack against a set. If he does have a flush draw he will miss 80% of the time and possible bluff into you with air.
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#3
11-29-2005, 03:46 PM
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Re: 10/20 shorthanded: raised on the turn with top 2
Call his turn and see what the river brings. Your ahead here most often hopefully the river brings an ace and you crush his 88 (if thats what he had)
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#4
11-29-2005, 03:50 PM
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Re: 10/20 shorthanded: raised on the turn with top 2
What sort of "small" value bet would you be facing on the river? Is his hand range here something like A8, A6, 86, 88, 66? You're way ahead or way behind with something right near the middle of his possible range of hands, so I tend to just call down. Unless you've understated his current level of tilt, I would expect that any attempt to extract more from worse hands would merely scare away the lower end of his range and lose you more against his sets. This seems too easy though, so I must be missing something.
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#6
11-29-2005, 04:53 PM
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Re: 10/20 shorthanded: raised on the turn with top 2
Min raise ~ push if he raises again, and value bet the river. I think in this spot you're up against A 10/ AJ maybe, and hopefully aces up.
Tex
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#7
11-29-2005, 06:56 PM
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river action
[ QUOTE ]
2100 effective stacks. Opponent in this hand is solid, better than me shorthanded and heads-up. He's loose and capable of mixing it up, though against me he usually plays pretty ABC. Against me he likes to make a lot of small value bets and raises with big hands, since he knows that I don't call huge bets that often. Villain is tilting a bit after losing a stack to a donkey, but he's in general quite capable of making laydowns. 4-handed. I make it 60 UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain calls from BB. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 70, villain calls. Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 150, he makes it 350. [/ QUOTE ] I call the 350. River is 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain pauses and bets $200. (This is one of those "small value bets" I was talking about, he likes to milk tight players.)
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#8
11-30-2005, 02:26 AM
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Re: river action
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] 2100 effective stacks. Opponent in this hand is solid, better than me shorthanded and heads-up. He's loose and capable of mixing it up, though against me he usually plays pretty ABC. Against me he likes to make a lot of small value bets and raises with big hands, since he knows that I don't call huge bets that often. Villain is tilting a bit after losing a stack to a donkey, but he's in general quite capable of making laydowns. 4-handed. I make it 60 UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain calls from BB. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 70, villain calls. Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 150, he makes it 350. [/ QUOTE ] I call the 350. River is 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain pauses and bets $200. (This is one of those "small value bets" I was talking about, he likes to milk tight players.) [/ QUOTE ] You can't raise the river unless you want to open yourself for a big raise. What did you choose and why?
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#9
11-30-2005, 06:57 AM
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Re: river action
Just call to avoid tough decision?
Is he capable of checking a set twice to PF raiser on that board? It seems unlikely, so my first reaction was to raise, but if we put him on less than a set, what can he call a raise with here? Maybe if he calls with 2 pairs, make a "small milking raise", but I play SH with really bad players too much to give an advice on how to play against tough aggresive opposition. On the other hand, if he puts in another raise, you can still get away? Dunno, I'm confused. I guess it comes down to table dynamics and how likely for villain to have a hand that beats hero against how likely he is to call with worse 2 pair. Given your description he will not come over the top without a better hand. Kinda hard to judge without playing against villain for a while? At least in this case there is a headache-free solution.
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#10
11-30-2005, 09:53 AM
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Re: river action
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 2100 effective stacks. Opponent in this hand is solid, better than me shorthanded and heads-up. He's loose and capable of mixing it up, though against me he usually plays pretty ABC. Against me he likes to make a lot of small value bets and raises with big hands, since he knows that I don't call huge bets that often. Villain is tilting a bit after losing a stack to a donkey, but he's in general quite capable of making laydowns. 4-handed. I make it 60 UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain calls from BB. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 70, villain calls. Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks, I bet 150, he makes it 350. [/ QUOTE ] I call the 350. River is 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain pauses and bets $200. (This is one of those "small value bets" I was talking about, he likes to milk tight players.) [/ QUOTE ] You can't raise the river unless you want to open yourself for a big raise. What did you choose and why? [/ QUOTE ] I raised to $600. I knew that he had a made hand, since the $200 makes no sense as a bluff. I decided that if he had a set he'd have wanted to get more value out of it. So I was usually best, and he'd find it hard to fold to a milking raise of my own. But just in case, I also figured that $600 left me room to get out if he popped me again. (We each would have $1000 behind after that raise.) $600 is also the sort of raise I might make if I had AK/AJ facing a $200 bet and were feeling frisky, so he doesn't really know how powerful I am.
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