Flopped trips and got checkraised on flop...what's your line

[woodguy]

Hello All,

This hand happened in Super Monday on Party (where I bubbled 114th top 90 got paid [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])

After thinking about this hand, I figured it could be played a couple different ways.

I like leading out with trips as most won't put you on it, so you can build a bigger pot.

What I don't like is what I did after the check/raise (no, I didn't fold)

I'd been at the table for a while with UTG+2 and the SB, neither had done anything to warrant a note, good or bad.

What's your line and why?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button (t445)
SB (t5065)
Hero (t2695)
UTG (t1910)
UTG+1 (t605)
UTG+2 (t4341)
MP1 (t3145)
MP2 (t3075)
MP3 (t1205)
CO (t4715)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t100, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t300) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, UTG+2 calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t800</font>, HERO??????


Regards,
Woodguy

[SossMan]

That looks like the easiest flat call, check raise the turn in history. Yeah, I know, it's ABC, but they are drawing to 4 outs at best. Trap that guy in the middle.

[nolanfan34]

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That looks like the easiest flat call, check raise the turn in history. Yeah, I know, it's ABC, but they are drawing to 4 outs at best. Trap that guy in the middle.

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I agree with the flat call, but hero can't check-raise the turn if the SB acts first.

[etgryphon]

Smooth call - push the turn.

Someone with 88s would have slow played this till the turn at least I'm thinking.

-Gryph

[MsMontreal]

This is an easy smoothcall. I might even let him improve his hand all the way to river with that type of flop.

[dt133]

I'm a bit newer to tournaments, but couldn't a flat call not be the best play here? I think that the SB here must either have trips with a weaker kicker or gutshot str8 draw, and is making a play against the late position bettor thinking he's trying to just take down the pot. Particularly because he's in the SB, he can give the appearance that he's flopped trips.

I think perhaps a push is good here, as you most likely have the best hand and you don't want another 8 or a completed gutshot (56 or 67 hand) to occur on the turn or the river. I think that the SB here most likely has trips weak kicker, gutshot draw, or possibly even 9s or 10s to make this play.

If he flips over 84 or 8s, so be it, but he would probably either bet out first in this case or just flat call your bet otherwise i think.

[Jason Strasser]

I go 2 ways here.

Shove it all in on the flop and hope you get called by a higher pair, an 8, or lose to the one logical hand that has u beat in 88, or flat call and check-raise the turn or lead all in on the river if its checked behind.

The thing about this board is that no one is drawing, so flat calling is fine because your opponent probably has two outs at most if you are ahead... Which also seems very likely.

Good flop lead though.
-Jason

[woodguy]

Thanks all.

I wasn't too far off base, as I smooth called and UTG+2 folded [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] comes off on the turn and SB checks and I push and SB folds.

I was thinking maybe I should have re-raised on the flop to get more $$$ in there while he was interested given the result, but keeping (or trying to keep) UTG+2 involved makes more sense.

I wasn't going to check through the turn as I refuse to give free cards unless I have the deck empited.

Thanks for the check up.

Regards,
Woodguy

[Shoog]

nice example of your theory of leading out with trips b/c few believe you have them. Looks like villan assumed you were bluffing or semibluffing an 8 and would fold to his reraise.

[adanthar]

UTG+2's play makes a lot of sense. He probably had an 8/99/similar, just called your bet, saw that you called the raise and autofolded. I'd play it the same. (Of course, he could also have QTo. Let's assume he's rational.)

But on the turn, you shouldn't be pushing. I want to either check behind or try to underbet to get him to CR...probably check. I'll take the chance of exactly two spades in exchange for him bluffing the river. (If he has trips hitting his kicker doesn't matter as the chips are going in anyway.)