Why do people get mad at their money?

[thomastem]

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Until now, I've never ever seen tilt used in a sentence to refer to someone who has "gone into a shell" in response to bad a beat. Tilt is generally used in a more specific context to refer to someone that not only starts making -EV plays, but also exhibits loose, wild, reckless behavior. (Since you all wanted to split semantical hairs here...)

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Was my earlier response confusing?

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Playing too tight is a form of Tilt as well as while on a winning streak "playing the rush" is.

Tilt means that circumstances effect your play in an unprofitable way. So if you play less hands than you should from bad beats you are on tilt and losing money in the long run from it.


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Granted looser play is the most common example but it is not the only example of tilt.

[PlayerA]

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Granted looser play is the most common example but it is not the only example of tilt.

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Like I say, until now, I've never seen tilt used in this more general manner. I've only even seen the term used in the more specific context of someone playing wildly and recklessly. Of course, language is fluid and if everyone says green is blue, then green is blue.

[RiverMel]

So what if people have, in the past, been mistaken and had a conception of "tilt" that didn't encompass all true instances of it?

In any case, the point was that the poster was asserting that others were making a mistake by altering their play due to past bad luck. I was pointing out that he too is guilty of that same mistake! I don't see how that's "splitting semantical hairs"--even if "semantical" were a word!

[thomastem]

Woohoo what MPBM said! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[PlayerA]

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So what if people have, in the past, been mistaken and had a conception of "tilt" that didn't encompass all true instances of it?


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Ok, find me some documented instances where tilt was used in the "true" way. And I don't mean some glossary that contains the general definition. I mean actual sentences where the more specific meaning is not intended. You can search this forum on the word and I doubt (I could be wrong and will admit it if proven wrong) you will find any instances of the word tilt being used in the generic context.

I can see it now: "I was in a game last night and saw this guy his AA cracked. He went on tilt and didn't play another hand until he got AA again!"

I'm just trying to out-nitpick the nitpickers.

[RiverMel]

Yes, you certainly are trying. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I suspect you and I have a very different Philosophy of Language.

My point is that, even if everyone until now has used "tilt" to only describe instances in which someone becomes a looser player, that does not mean that, if they thought about it, they would not or should not include all instances of someone's play becoming less optimal in response to past bad luck. My argument is that the correct conception of tilt includes all those instances--this is because the essential element of the concept TILT is "a poor response to past bad luck, manifesting in suboptimal play."

[beernutz]

I tilt by getting up and leaving the table, even if it appears to be a +EV situation.

[Blarg]

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if everyone says green is blue, then green is blue

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Just because you haven't used words used in a certain way before doesn't mean you have the definitive definition of them and other people with different definitions are wrong.

For what it's worth -- and since you are basing your correct definition so thoroughly purely on what you personally are familiar with -- the psychology forum here has discussed tilt as encompassing far more behavior than your narrow definition describes. If your experience is limiting your definition compared to those of others, perhaps you should read the psychology forum more so at least a little more experience on your part is something you're willing to hold up against all comers as the ultimate arbiter of what terms like these mean. The people with broader definitions of tilt whom you are arguing against have done just that type of reading to broaden their experience. You're overdue and should catch up instead of just arguing.

[Blarg]

You have to get back on the horse again when you fall off. You're losing a lot of potential money if you start turning away profitable situations because you start thinking the cards have memory and are going to treat you differently. Money not won is just as real as money won, in poker.

The only reason to play differently after a bad beat or series of them is if your table image has changed and you find everyone playing into you so much that you've lost any sort of control over the table. Poker somewhat depends, especially for certain people's styles, on table control, and if you don't have it, you can be in a negative -EV for hours. If that happens you can play differently, but it's probably best just to change tables, as you don't want to start ignoring +EV plays or making a greater part of your play book -EV or break-even EV plays just to stay in the action.

If you feel spooked or that the cards are getting memories or anything magical like that, there's no shame to it, nor sense in denying it if it's going to affect your behavior. Indulging supersitions to a certain extent can be +EV if it helps one's confidence or makes one feel better. You just have to be aware that's why you're doing it -- to satisfy the parts of you that aren't logical. Everyone has those parts. But once it starts cutting into your hourly rate significantly, it's time to either play right, leave the table, or leave the casino. There's definitely no point in giving superstitious behavior enough influence over your gameplay that it significantly impacts your earn rate.

[BottlesOf]

For a thorough explanation of "tilt," you should read Feneey's "Inside the Poker Mind." You'll see that tilt takes on many forms, not merely the most visible ones.