KJo

#1 10-20-2005, 07:25 PM

Did I play these two hands right?
Overall I seem to win with KJo, but this is todays top losing hand.

Here I don't really know, but I suspekt that UTG is loose/aggressive, he seem to like call strange hands and make bets with them.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (6.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

and
Here I know that MP1 is tight/aggressive, and MP2 is loose/passive. MP1 has done some raising with lesser hands, and have also tried to push people out of pots.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Yako · #2 10-20-2005, 07:29 PM

Hand 1, you can fold the flop.

Hand 2, you can fold preflop, but if you do play it, then you have to raise the river I think.

#3 10-20-2005, 07:31 PM

Post this in micro limit.

Grease · #4 10-20-2005, 07:32 PM

I definitely fold the flop and the turn on hand 1.

I also definitely fold PF on hand 2. I wouldn't want to be OOP against a good player with others between us with only a decent hand. I also would have folded the turn against a TAG. His turn raise here scares me a lot, and I think you're getting crushed here.

Grease · #5 10-20-2005, 07:32 PM

Oh, yeah.

Welcome to the forums.

#6 10-20-2005, 07:40 PM

Sorry, didn't know which belonged where.

#7 10-20-2005, 07:44 PM

My, perhaps flawed, resoning on the first hand was that I have two overs and a backdoorflush plus backdoor straight possibilities. Which still makes it a pretty lose call, but the turn should however have given me some kind of drawingodds. Or should I just quit drawing to overcards?

#8 10-20-2005, 09:16 PM

#1

I'd proabbly raise this to knowck out the blinds if possible. Depends on the table, but I'd ratehr pay two bet to have two opponents than one bet to be against four.

Fold the flop: you are getting 7:1 (and not closing the action) meaning you need 6 outs. You don't have six because youre 3 Ks and 3 Js are probably tainted. Barring that, fold the turn.

#2
I don't like playing KJo agaisnt a tight player OOP. As you played it, a flop bet or intended checkraise are good. I would fold after MP1 raised the turn. MP1 does not have a jack (otherwise would have raised flop because there were 2 spades), and I believe s/he has a queen. You only beat AK and 88-TT here. After the river, you are never winning this.

ZenMusician · #9 10-20-2005, 09:24 PM

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Which still makes it a pretty lose call

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You used "lose" for "loose" but damnit, you are right...it IS a lose(ing) call.

-ZEN

#10 10-20-2005, 09:34 PM

Good reasoning but misapplied. I don't think the back door (2nd nut) flush possibility fully compnsates for the possibly tainted outs, and I count the backdoor straight as neglible on the flop because you have two internal holes to fill which is difficult, and in itself is a back risk-to-reward gambit. INO, there is a 17% chance the turn will give you an extra 4 outs on the river.