very shorthanded preflop standards

[livinitup0]

What kind of range do you typically open up with when you get down to 3-4 players? Looking for something I can make a starting hand chart with...need practice on this. Seems like when I get really shorthanded that I seem to just get way too aggressive and its hard to calculate poker stove while playing...multi-tabling these short games is a nightmare for me.
An tips out there for playing very short?

I second this. I improvise by playing most SH steal hands from any position when it gets down to about 4. When it's HU, I play face cards, pairs, and suited connectors. But this is pure speculation on my part. (Disclaimer: I only started 6-max a few weeks ago.)

[imported_leader]

Same hands you play from the CO and Button in 6-max, but it's even more important as the game gets shorter to adjust to the players in the blinds. You'll probably want to play looser in the blinds because people get over-aggressive the shorter it gets. Use common sense however if a tight raiser raises it still means something.

[TheMetetron]

It's opponent specific. Though I generally play more or less the same as if the first 1-3 people folded unless I see my opponents trying to adjust one way or the other.

I play basically the same in SB/BB and about like I'd play in MP/CO from the button. You have much less fold equity three handed than you do after three folds in a 6 handed game, you need more value to raise (although you have a little more room because SB/BB will usually call looser).

[blackize]

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You have much less fold equity three handed than you do after three folds in a 6 handed game, you need more value to raise

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This is spot on, and I must have skipped over it on my first read through. Just about everyone else though was advocating what would amount to 30+% preflop raising which is just ludicrous.

[imported_leader]

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You have much less fold equity three handed than you do after three folds in a 6 handed game, you need more value to raise

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This is spot on, and I must have skipped over it on my first read through. Just about everyone else though was advocating what would amount to 30+% preflop raising which is just ludicrous.

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I'm not advocating any particular PFR number. I certainly don't raise 30% of hands from the CO and button 4 handed.

[mperich]

Im at 38/28.5 filtered for 3-4 handed. My atsb is pretty much the same as it is 6 handed. I do agree that you have less fold equity, but at the same time i still believe you have less fold equity in 6 max games, when you are in a stealing situation. Altho, I would say that the main difference is in a 6max game people may not notice that you are stealing 35-40% of the time, so they might give you a little credit. IN a 3/4 handed game everyone can figure out that you are stealing that much and they will probably adjust. If someone adjusted to my stealing in a 6max game, I would readjust. Same thing goes in a 3-4 handed game. I still maintain that in general, these two situations are the same.

-Mike

[Victor]

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What kind of range do you typically open up with when you get down to 3-4 players?

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just use the same range you always use on the button or co. your attempt to steal blinds should be around 30-35 regulary so now your pfr will be about that high. probably a bit higher since you will be raising from the blinds as well.

[blackize]

This is all horrible advice and is likely to get you KILLED playing 3 and 4 handed

Edit: Having played 10k hands 3/4 handed in the last couple weeks, I have not seen a single successful player with stats like those advocated in this thread. You can play a ton more hands but you must be more passive preflop