Too passive with KK?

sammy_g · #1 07-03-2005, 05:46 PM

I hate the way I played this hand. I think I was ahead on the turn, but I wanted to induce a bluff from a worse hand and not lose so much if I was against trips. Dunno about the river fold.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

BB ($110.58)
UTG ($75.15)
Hero ($135.55)
SB ($85.9)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($13.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($33.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($33.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $30, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $63.50

beginnersluck13 · #2 07-03-2005, 06:59 PM

I think that you didn't necessarily play the hand badly, but that you just didn't get any information as to what villian has. I would be tempted to put in a raise on the flop, or atleast a 2/3rds pot sized bet on the turn to see where I am at, if he calls I am check/folding the river and if he raises I would probably toss the hand barring other reads.

eagletmr · #3 07-03-2005, 07:46 PM

I agree with the previous post. I' like raising here on the flop to find out where I am at. If you choose to call, definitely bet the turn.

TexArcher · #4 07-03-2005, 08:11 PM

With no read, I'd double the bet on the flop.

And if not, I'd definitely be betting at that turn after his check.

savman · #5 07-03-2005, 10:30 PM

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With no read, I'd double the bet on the flop.

And if not, I'd definitely be betting at that turn after his check.

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doubling the bet...or minraising is a bad idea here...all it does is invite an agressive villain to threebet us here and cause us to lay down the best hand. Against a LAG i favor calling down here. If you raise a LAG u give him a chance to out play you with some maniacal over the top raise...if you call him down you can let him shovel all of his chips to you. Sometimes he will wake up with a J, but IMO this line is +EV against LAG.

savman · #6 07-03-2005, 10:33 PM

if you are calling the flop you should not be folding the river.

Voltron87 · #7 07-03-2005, 10:50 PM

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if you are calling the flop you should not be folding the river.

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nobody should listen to this advice.

sammy_g · #8 07-03-2005, 10:58 PM

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if you are calling the flop you should not be folding the river.

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i was more afraid of the ace than the jack.

but i think it's a call given how weakly i played the hand.

jonnyUCB · #9 07-03-2005, 11:31 PM

reraise more preflop. You should be doing this with a wide range of hands 4-handed, on the button esp

savman · #10 07-03-2005, 11:46 PM

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if you are calling the flop you should not be folding the river.

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nobody should listen to this advice.

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give me a break....ridiculous post...nothing has changed, hero called a pot bet on flop. you think villain was betting backdoor flush, or A high.

the point i was making is why in the world are you calling the flop just to fold to a river pot. if you dont think your hand is good on the flop, fold. why call and fold to another pot bet when nothing has changed. that is insane. i mean were you calling on the flop hoping to spike a king, get real.