full house vs. quads, bad call or tough beat?

[suited77]

pretty TAG 100NL on partypoker, blinds .50/1
no reads on any individual player.. but on this hand i dont think it would have made much of a difference (or would it?)

villian is in red-
i (r0underr) am in bold
$100 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, May 25, 19:09:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 36958 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: <font color="red">werjk ( $117.8 )</font>
Seat 3: MIC42680 ( $195.05 )
Seat 4: ZarfDaddy ( $119.95 )
Seat 6: kidnice89 ( $22.13 )
Seat 5: r0underr ( $126.55 )
Seat 2: joshmonymker ( $30.64 )
kidnice89 posts small blind [$0.5].
werjk posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to r0underr [ Ks Ac ]
joshmonymker raises [$2].
MIC42680 folds.
r0underr calls [$2].
kidnice89 folds.
<font color="red">werjk calls [$1].</font>
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Jd, 4d ]
<font color="red">werjk checks.</font>
joshmonymker checks.
r0underr bets [$4].
<font color="red">werjk raises [$8].</font>
joshmonymker folds.
r0underr calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
<font color="red">werjk checks.</font>
r0underr bets [$10].
<font color="red">werjk calls [$10].</font>
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
<font color="red">werjk bets [$30].</font>
r0underr: i dont want to make this call
r0underr calls [$30].

Results in white:
<font color="white">werjk shows [ 4c, 4s ] four of a kind, fours.
r0underr shows [ Ks, Ac ] a full house, Aces full of fours.
werjk wins $100.5 from the main pot with four of a kind, fours.</font>

without a good read on my opponent, is this call justified? should i put him on AJ or better when he checkraises the flop or is this just a situation that is unavoidable?

i smoothcalled the AK on the button b/c i felt i had much of the table dominated.. and if i hit a good flop, then i would get paid off..

note (don't read this unless u want to know the results): <font color="white">when the 4 hit the turn, he instantly checked.. it was real quick.. almost like a tell.. but i bet anyways - was this a bad opportunity to bet for value or should i have checked it behind him? (esp. since he checkraised the flop?) i think this is where i made the fatal mistake, cuz it made it crystal clear that i had an A.. the more i think about it.. the worse it looks</font>

finally: is this an easy call? are the odds in my favor in the long run to make the river call? it was about a potsized bet, so i was getting 2:1 if i win the pot (to say J4 or JJ), 1:2 to chop - right?

this is my 1st post.. im pretty new to this forum.. so if it isn't readable or proper, just let me know.. thanks

[FreakDaddy]

If you have a boat, and even it's a boarded boat, you're going to pay off quads everytime. That's poker... just keep smiling and move on. Lucky it wasn't that much money.

[theredpill5]

You consider folding this on the river ? Geez. WTF.

[Irishfly]

I generally type "VNH", say "holy [censored]", and buy back in. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Don't lose a whole lot of sleep over this one. I woulda feared AJ alot more than 44 in this situation anyway.

Da Fly

[edge]

Don't fold this. It looks a lot like a split to me.

[webmonarch]

[ QUOTE ]
I generally type "VNH", say "holy [censored]", and buy back in. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Don't lose a whole lot of sleep over this one. I woulda feared AJ alot more than 44 in this situation anyway.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly. Sometimes, stuff is so improbable that it's -EV to assume it exists. Folding this is more of a mistake than calling.

[kurto]

Once you get to the river, you can't fold.

But I'm a little torn about whether or not you should have made it to the river.

90% of the time you get checkedraised by non-fish on the flop, they get beat TPTK.

I think what got you was his slowplaying the turn. Had he bet the turn, I would have suggested folding.

The river was the worst card you could have had, because its the one card that hit that you absolutely couldn't fold.