$55: 88 utg w/ the chip lead

Taraz · #1 12-24-2005, 06:57 AM

I felt very awkward in this situation. I didn't want to push but I was planning on calling any pushes behind me. Should I just raise a standard amount and see what happens?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t1732)
Hero (t3010)
MP (t1666)
CO (t707)
Button (t1570)
SB (t1315)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to ???</font>

#2 12-24-2005, 07:10 AM

I would make a standard raise and carry on from there

pergesu · #3 12-24-2005, 07:16 AM

I take it to 375, though I suppose you could just push since only one player has more than 10 BB, and it's just a hair more anyway.

Taraz · #4 12-24-2005, 08:20 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I take it to 375, though I suppose you could just push since only one player has more than 10 BB, and it's just a hair more anyway.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly why I asked the question [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]. Just wondering what "default" line everybody takes.

#5 12-24-2005, 08:23 AM

I think I'd raise 400 or so. If the table is very loose/aggressive I might fold it, but that's me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

curtains · #6 12-24-2005, 12:22 PM

I move allin preflop. Once everyone has basically 10x the BB or less (and its close here) I stop messing around with BS raises, since its so hard to fold to a reraise anyway and I dont want to encourage people.

Nick M · #7 12-24-2005, 01:29 PM

with 707 CO to act behind you, I might throw it away. I'm not looking to flip for 707 in chips. Yeah I guess I chuck it, and be a little annoyed about doing so.

Taraz · #8 12-24-2005, 06:23 PM

[ QUOTE ]
with 707 CO to act behind you, I might throw it away. I'm not looking to flip for 707 in chips. Yeah I guess I chuck it, and be a little annoyed about doing so.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't understand this at all. You fold this because you are afraid of the small stack? I'd still have 2300 chips and the chip lead if I lost to him. If I could go heads up with him with 88 against AK I would love it in this situation.

By the way, the only chance I was going to fold this would be a misclick.

Nick M · #9 12-24-2005, 09:17 PM

when there is 6 people left, I don't make to much of having 3k in chips and the chip lead. I still don't take flip risks. Just the way I play. Although I will admit that If I feel I can steal...like strongly feel I can steal, I may raise to 400. But I doubt it.

EDIT: I also never play on Party, so chip average is waaaayyyy different when I hold 3k.

HelmetCrash · #10 12-24-2005, 01:44 PM

When pushing a midrange pair in situations like these, I've found the following rule of thumb to often give the same push/fold advice as SNGPT and can be quickly estimated realtime in your head at the table before making the decision, if you get comfortable with it.

Calculate the odds of a single player holding a higher pair than yours. In this case it would be 1/220 * 6 = approx 1/40.

Calculate the total amount of money remaining players hold, in units of BB (unless they hold more than you, then use your stack size). In this case it is right around 50 BB.

Multiply these two numbers 50 x 1/40 = approx 1.2. If this number is smaller than one, then the correct play is to push. If this number is larger than one, then the correct play is to fold.

Using this analysis for this hand, this quick estimate shows it to be a very close call between pushing and folding, with folding the correct choice. By tweaking the number used to determine push/fold (perhaps something like 1.4 would be a better than 1.0?), this method may be improved.

Anyways, I often use this estimate as quick realtime guidance at the tables to keep me from making larger mistakes. What do you guys think of this rule of thumb?