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Old 12-28-2005, 04:02 PM
ClaytonN ClaytonN is offline
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Default 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

UTG+1 seems like a solid postflop player, 14/8/4 in a small sample of only 70 hands. MP1 is a relative unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

I think a turn raise is best here. If he reraises, call down and check the river where it would be best to check/call.

If he only calls a turn raise, lead out. If he raises the river, call down.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

Can you explain the line you took and why please?

Is it a simple case of WA/WB?
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

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I think a turn raise is best here. If he reraises, call down ... If he only calls a turn raise, lead out. If he raises the river, call down.


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wow.
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

Is the river bet hoping to fold a T?
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

Interesting one.

Given the turn play the river bet is good. The turn is close but I would play it the same. You're pretty likely to be ahead of MP1 (50%+). You're maybe 35-40% against UTG's range (9 combo's KTs/QTs/JTs, 4 combos of 77/55, and 2 combos of A5s you lose to and a few spade combos, 3 A7s combos, and 6 combos of 88 and maybe 66 is in there that you're ahead of). He may fold a weak T if you raise. But that seems unlikely and with MP1 calling along you're hand is probably still worth a call but I don't think your hand is strong enough for anything else. Check/folding the turn is probably not giving up a lot either. But I think it's worth it to continue. So I'd play it the same.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

No, it's for value whenever his hand is best. If he checks most better hands will bet but some worse hands that will call a bet will check through if given the chance. IF UTG missed a draw he'll likely give up on the river as well and then hero misses value from MP if he doesn't bet it.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

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I think a turn raise is best here. If he reraises, call down ... If he only calls a turn raise, lead out. If he raises the river, call down.


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wow.

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Wow what?
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

"wow" as in putting in 3 BB's on the turn here is really bad. Calling a river raise especially after he c/raises the turn is really bad. Raising the turn seems bad to me as well considering he isn't good that often really and when he is his opponents likely have a combined 15+ outs.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 - 99 OOP - Something a little different

I 3-bet preflop as you would like this to be as shorthanded as possible. BB will almost certainly fold if you 3-bet and the 14/8 UTG1 will also likely fold a fair share of his range to a 3-bet.

As for the postflop play I actually don't see any other way to really play this after UTG1 donks the flop. Donking the turn might be best, but your line seems fine although I think this is a case that the c/c, c/c, bet/fold is best.
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