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Old 12-23-2005, 05:50 AM
jt1 jt1 is offline
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Default Worse Pooh Bah ever...

2+2 helps you become a good player: There are exceptions to every rule.

The TAG is close to 30/20/2.5 over 500 hands. I've never noticed him doing anything retarded before. He probably has loads of examples of my retarded play, however.

PP 5/10 (6 handed)

TAG open raises with the button
Hero 3-bets with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB folds
TAG calls

(7 sb)Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets
TAG calls

(4 bb)A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero check raises
TAG 3-bets
Hero folds


Comments on the check raise, please. Comments on defending with A4o, please. Comments on the fold, please.
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Old 12-23-2005, 05:57 AM
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congrats on the pooh-bahness.

maybe c/r da frop. wait we 3-bet pre-flop. why?
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:11 AM
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FOLD Preflop, terrible terrible play, you want to learn start there.
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:14 AM
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Default Re: Worse Pooh Bah ever...

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FOLD Preflop, terrible terrible play, you want to learn start there.

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Agreed. I'd raise this down to A8o. Also, from what I've seen of your posts you are far from the worst pooh bah ever. (Although I know you were being sarcastic)
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:16 AM
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For the life of me, I don't understand why defending against a TAG with AX is bad. You're dominated sometimes but are a 2-1 favorite the other times. If he calls the flop, you can give up.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:04 AM
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Default Re: Worse Pooh Bah ever...

He's calling the flop a lot, because the pot is now offering 8:1. Position matters, and being OOP against a thinking TAG with Ax in a big pot really, really sucks.
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:56 AM
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I agree with everything said here by the other players. Usually Jt1 I am in your camp but I think this play was slightly ludicrous.

How often does he steal your blinds? With A4os you are likely a 70/30 position or you are slightly ahead. You are also out of position.

I don't like the c/r either since he called the flop. Especially since calling down costs the same as check/raising and often he will have a small amount of improvement.

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Old 12-23-2005, 01:17 PM
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For the life of me, I don't understand why defending against a TAG with AX is bad. You're dominated sometimes but are a 2-1 favorite the other times. If he calls the flop, you can give up.

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Yeah I never fold this to a steal. This thread really suprises me.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: Worse Pooh Bah ever...

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FOLD Preflop, terrible terrible play, you want to learn start there.

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How is this bad? If he's 30/20 he's going to be raising a ton of stuff on the button and Ax is way too strong to throw away HU.

If you're going to call someone's play 'terrible' at least put a sentence or two as to WHY you think so. Aren't we supposed to be thinking players?
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: Worse Pooh Bah ever...

These are at least some of the possibilities after you reraised with A4o.

(1) You might win on the flop, if it turned out TAG happened to have raised light and got no help.
(2) You might get reraised on the flop, because TAG might suspect you were on a resteal. So without help, you'll just fold.
(3) Same situation as last, except this time an Ace falls. Your hand could be good, but if it is, you probably won't get a lot of bets out of TAG.
(4) Same thing last, except an Ace falls and your out-kicked, in which case you could lose a pretty nice pot.

I think these possibilities mean that your play is at least somewhat risky against anyone. But the most important factor to me is your description of the opponent as a good TAG, with pretty aggressive stats. That description is enough reason for me to think twice before getting involved with a marginal hand.

So, against this guy I'd fold.
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