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Old 12-10-2005, 07:43 AM
FlopComesBricks FlopComesBricks is offline
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Default Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

100+5 1 table tourney at the local club. Half the players are regulars the rest are unknowns. Payout is 60-25-15.

Anyway, I make it down to 3 players on the short stack. The chip leader is the happy drunk in question. I've played with him once before and he's an overall good natured guy but a poor player. Also completed wasted at this point.

When it gets down to 3 handed, he says to the other guy who he's kinda buddies with, "Once we bust this guy we'll chop and go hit the bars and snag some poooosy." I wasn't worried about collusion because these guys weren't softplaying each other at all.

So, I end up doubling-through the second player and then in about two hands he busts out when his all-in blind steal is called by the drunk.

At heads-up I've got about T4000 and the drunk has T16000 with blinds at 300-600. He's very aggressive player so I know he's gunna put me all-in every hand. I say to him casually, "So, we gunna chop 50/50 and get some pussy?" He thinks for about 2 seconds, shrugs and says, "Sure. Deal. Lets chop it up."

After that the drunk gets his money then dissapears. I hang around for the after tourney ring-game and get chastised by the other regulars for taking advantage of him. "How could I do that?" etc. Obviously it was not to my advantage to continue playing and he seemed more than happy to just chop, pocket his $430 and hit the nightclubs.

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Old 12-10-2005, 07:47 AM
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

Tell the people ragging on you to STFU, they woulda taken the same deal without the blink of an eye. The drunk guy agreed and you agreed, that's all there was to it. It wasn't you that got him drunk, if it was that MIGHT be a bit unethical, but otherwise, [censored] it.
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:48 AM
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

yea forget the regulars, no one made him get drunk
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

You offered a deal and the drunk guy took it. Doesn't sound wrong to me.

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Old 12-10-2005, 09:02 AM
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

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...he seemed more than happy to just chop, pocket his $430 and hit the nightclubs.


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Although you took the long way around in this post, you managed to answer your own question with the closing statment above.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:26 AM
SenecaJim SenecaJim is offline
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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Exactly. Plus, might have done drunk the favor. His attnention span is shot and anxious to go drunk around some more or starts to come off high, your playing advantage could have ended up much more than his chip advantage. I call this chop a win/win.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:31 AM
Randy_Refeld Randy_Refeld is offline
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

I don't see a problem wiht this as he seemed to understand the value of what he was dealing. There was a time when I said no to a deal the two players had agrred to. A hotel guest had bought intot a WSOP satellite without really understanding waht it was (she was a hotel guest, wanted to play and this is waht was starting, so she bought in wihtout concern for what the prizes were). In this first palce was a seat valued at over $2k and second place was the odd cash left over after the seat (about$200). When it got heads up the hotel guest had about 90% of the chips. The regular who was about to be blind out says "since you won't be here anyway how about if I just take the seat and you can take the money." I did not allow this deal as the hotel guest didn't understand the value of the seat etc. We explained to her that the seat was transferable and we knew people that would buy it from her. The hotel guest was very happy that she was about to get $2k instead of $200. Normally the casino should take no interest in teh outcome of a tournament, but they do have an obligation to protect anyone that doesn't understand the deal making process.
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Old 12-10-2005, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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There are lots of ways of taking advantage that would be unethical. (Stealing his chips when he's not looking comes to mind.)
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:22 PM
Al_Capone_Junior Al_Capone_Junior is offline
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Default Re: Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

I say that FCB just "outplayed" his drunk opponent on this one. Nothing unethical about it. Hey, if the drunk guy is buying, then it must be a seller's market. Sell it.

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