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Old 12-06-2005, 02:39 AM
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Default Should I see the flop or just let it go now

PF 3-bettor in the hand in question is a bit over-aggro, 29/8/3.25, whereas the PF capper is unknown. But he seems a bit on the weakish/tightish/thinkingish side based both on a hand where he angrily complained about folding overpair KK on a board with heavy action because he feared a set and QQ took it down, and on this amusing NC hand, where he was the BB:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, BB calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Js Ad (four of a kind, threes).
MP3 has Td Tc (four of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.60 BB. MP3 wins 5.60 BB. </font>


Anyway, here's the hand in question:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero...
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:45 AM
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Default Re: Should I see the flop or just let it go now

I guess the odds you're getting aren't so bad. But I don't like playing just for a straight. And versus two cold-callers, a 3-bettor, and a capper, I'm worried that's what I'd be doing.

So I think I'd fold.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:47 AM
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Default Re: Should I see the flop or just let it go now

Seems like you'll get 9:1 at best if you're lucky. My cards are hitting the muck. Too much risk of domination too.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:48 AM
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Default Re: Should I see the flop or just let it go now

I'm guessing BB capped as the hand history only shows a call.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:50 AM
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Default Re: Should I see the flop or just let it go now

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Seems like you'll get 5:1 at best if you're lucky. My cards are hitting the muck. Too much risk of domination too.

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Since we've already invested 2 SBs, it's more like 9:1 if we're lucky.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:51 AM
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I'm guessing BB capped as the hand history only shows a call.

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Look at the second hand.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Should I see the flop or just let it go now

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Seems like you'll get 5:1 at best if you're lucky. My cards are hitting the muck. Too much risk of domination too.

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Since we've already invested 2 SBs, it's more like 9:1 if we're lucky.

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I've no idea what you're talking about [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

*Walks away whistling.*
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:04 AM
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I'm guessing BB capped as the hand history only shows a call.

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Look at the second hand.

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Doh! Yeah, fold.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:06 AM
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*Walks away whistling.*

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: Should I see the flop or just let it go now

9:1 sounds good on paper, but KQo is a payoff hand and subject to terrible reverse implied odds, right? Still, maybe I can get away from it postflop if I don't flop something great. But what if I flop something like 2 spades and a gutshot, etc... it's a tough decision, hence the post. Keep talkin'.
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