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Old 12-28-2005, 07:29 AM
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Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs.

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Now that I've had some more time to think about the hand, I see that JT could be another likely hand for SB. If he would c/r 2-pair in this spot wouldn't he also c/r with TP OESD? Also given my read on SB as a TAG player and the fact that his play up to this point has been pretty straight foward. It's been about 30-ish hands or so. My gut tells me that he is more likely to bet out with 2-pair and slowplay a straight.

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Indeed JT is a possible hand, you are very right. My question is what is similiar between the two pair and the TP+OESD that would make him want to check that flop?(keep in mind there was no preflop aggression...he's not checking to the raiser here.)

Very interesting.

Did they show down?
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:37 AM
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My take on a 3 bet on the flop is that someone is generally protecting an overcard. If somebody had a straight, they -might- be protecting against the flush, but more than likely not.

BB could have anything, and SB probably has top pair or 2 pair. I wouldn't put him on a straight.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:39 AM
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Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs.


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Which is why I folded, I figured I had to be beat and the pot wasn't big enough to justify continuing with the hand.

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There is 8 BB's in the pot when it is your turn to act not 6, and this is a draw heavy board, getting 8:1 I am calling down here. You have TP, a gutshot and can still outdraw 2 pair
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:54 PM
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Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs.


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Which is why I folded, I figured I had to be beat and the pot wasn't big enough to justify continuing with the hand.

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There is 8 BB's in the pot when it is your turn to act not 6, and this is a draw heavy board, getting 8:1 I am calling down here. You have TP, a gutshot and can still outdraw 2 pair

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I realize that there are 8 when it gets to you. But going into the turn there are 6 BBs, and that helps me factor what they might be doing. The top pair is already behind even a KJ, which we cant know what they have without the preflop raise.

It's close, because on the turn you're getting 8:1 while needing 8.2:1, but i honestly think you're behind and losing to BBs river card too many times for this to be profitable any further.
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board

Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:00 PM
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Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down.

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Aye, this thread seems MUBSy to me, is a mubsy a word? Can it be from now on?
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:07 PM
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Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down.

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Aye, this thread seems MUBSy to me, is a mubsy a word? Can it be from now on?

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If i can figure out what it means.....
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:08 PM
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Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down.

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Surely you know better than to give advice without explaining yourself? On this standard, that's about as good of an argument as "fold pre." to me.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:11 PM
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Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down.

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Aye, this thread seems MUBSy to me, is a mubsy a word? Can it be from now on?

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If i can figure out what it means.....

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MUBS = Monster Under the Bed Syndrome.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:23 PM
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Ok, well this thread seems WEBOSAAINWI to me.

(we're either behind or slightly ahead and it's not worth it.)

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