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Old 12-22-2005, 09:08 PM
private joker private joker is offline
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Default I am the biggest fish on Party.

Flmae away. Tell me how bad I screwed up this hand.

Reads: BB is unknown, Button is 70/5/0.8

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

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Old 12-22-2005, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

2 bets cold on the flop huh? Completed pf as well...

Nice river.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:28 PM
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

[grunch] I raise preflop, otherwise I play it the same. I like check/calling the turn and betting out the river. I think I would even cap the river, or is this spewing to the guy with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:28 PM
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

I hereby set the over/under on "raise PF" posts at 13.5. Place your wagers in the betting forum.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:30 PM
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

I don't think the flop is a good bet.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:34 PM
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

For starters, I'd raise pre-flop. I don't always raise AQo in the blinds, but you're only against two limpers, one of which is super-loose. So this looks like a good spot to push your probable equity advantage.

Now, the flop. You donk, as is right and proper. But here...

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Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Button 3-bets...

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is the point I'd be done with the hand. You're getting eight-to-one to call, but you're not closing the action, and all of your outs look filthy, with the runner-runner flush probably your best bet. With three opponents who like their hand, I'd say implied odds are working against you. You'll probably make a lot of expensive second-best hands if you continue.

Once you make that flop call, the rest of the hand seems standard. I'm open to arguments that a donk may not be your best play on the river, but I'd probably donk it as well.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:45 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

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I don't think the flop is a good bet.

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I'm totally "two-way checking" this flop. So I'm checking and definitely folding to two back to me, sometimes check-raising a late position bet from the right opponent, and often peeling one card.

Once you bet calling two back to you I think is a pretty big mistake.


<font color="white"> And I think you should have raised pre-flop. </font>
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:45 PM
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

I know PF will get a lot of flack, but the flop bet and call is much worse.

With PF, I usually just complete AQo against 2 limpers and a loose BB, but in this case with the button being 70 VPIP, I should definitely have raised.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:46 PM
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I don't think the flop is a good bet.

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Okay, I'll bite, since I liked the flop bet at first glance. Is it because we're too much of a dog to BB's range? Is it because it's likely to be a big action flop, so we should wait and see how our opponents react? Or is it something else?
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.

Pre flop is fine, it doesnt really matter, sometimes raise, some times dont, the thing about completing is it disguises or hand and we get much action from QT, QJ,KQ they may have limped.

I check the flop and see what develops, what deranged said.

turn is fine, i think your flush draw is good here enough, river bet/call, who ever said cap the river, its a spew. do u think villan would raise the J hearts, into a donker i doubt it.
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