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View Poll Results: You are in MP2 with KJs, UTG+1 limps, folds round to you who..
raise 13 13.54%
limp 61 63.54%
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:27 AM
Bill Smith Bill Smith is offline
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Default Specific preflop plays

I see a lot of incongruity among posts and posters on how these are played.

Assume that one of the limpers is a loose but somewhat decent player who plays well postflop. Any other limpers are loose passive and bad. Also assume blinds are loose and that BB will call a raise approx. 75% of the time to see a flop.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:12 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

OK, who is folding ATo on the button with three limpers? 'Splain yourself.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:27 PM
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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

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Loose passive limpers usually have worse hands than us. We have a good shot at making top pair. Don't play it if your not comfortable with the post-flop play, and dealing with possible domination.
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Old 12-05-2005, 01:38 PM
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Default Don\'t hate-evaluate

Generic hatred of KTo? You made no mention of your position or who you are playing against. I find KTo to be very playable against typical LAP tables, particularly from later positions. Since I play live, I do not have poker stats to back my feel, but I would play it all night to see the flop. OF course, after the flop, there could be lots of reasons to fold, but I think seeing the flop with those cards will be EV+ against all but Rock or TAG dominated tables.
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Old 12-05-2005, 01:56 PM
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You made no mention of your position or who you are playing against.

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Assume that one of the limpers is a loose but somewhat decent player who plays well postflop. Any other limpers are loose passive and bad. Also assume blinds are loose and that BB will call a raise approx. 75% of the time to see a flop.
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KTo in MP3 after 2 limpers.
KTo in MP3 after 3 limpers.

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It was actually the mention of the one solid postflop player that changed my call to a fold.
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:01 PM
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You made no mention of your position or who you are playing against.

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Assume that one of the limpers is a loose but somewhat decent player who plays well postflop. Any other limpers are loose passive and bad. Also assume blinds are loose and that BB will call a raise approx. 75% of the time to see a flop.
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KTo in MP3 after 2 limpers.
KTo in MP3 after 3 limpers.

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It was actually the mention of the one solid postflop player that changed my call to a fold.

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I interpreted the read differently. "A loose but somewhat decent player". I think i'm still ahead of his range, and playing better post-flop.

Some information is missing here. Who limped first, what position did they limp from?

Put the "loose but decent" player UTG limping in first, and I will fold KTo. If he's limping in MP behind a fish, then I call.
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Old 12-05-2005, 01:49 PM
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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

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Sure, if you enjoy the aggravation of burning up chips when you hit against the passive limper who doesn't raise with A 10, KJ and KQ. Miniscule ev at best- not worth getting into trouble over IMO.
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Old 12-05-2005, 01:58 PM
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Miniscule ev at best- not worth getting into trouble over IMO.

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If you try to play this in MP, I'd add it's -EV if/when it gets raised behind you.
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:11 PM
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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

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Sure, if you enjoy the aggravation of burning up chips when you hit against the passive limper who doesn't raise with A 10, KJ and KQ. Miniscule ev at best- not worth getting into trouble over IMO.

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How about when we hit vs dominated hands like JT/QT/K9s, which are more likely to have been limped in than AT and KQ.
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