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Old 12-15-2005, 05:29 PM
RikaKazak RikaKazak is offline
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Default How far do you go with weak overpair?

Villian is a 25/9 with AF of 3 after 49 hands. I'm playing semi tight, probably a 24/12, I c-bet heads up 99% of the time heads up, and 3 way about 60% of the time. The villian and I have yet to be in a hand together.

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fold, villian limps, hero raises to $25 with black T's, folded to villian who calls.

flop comes 863 with club draw. villian checks I bet $40 into $55 pot, villian check raises to $90, hero? it's $50 more to call. stack sizes $400.
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

I think you ought to call.

You aren't going to see a cheap showdown unless your opponent is semibluffing (which makes me lean towards call). If you don't see a cheap showdown TT is probably not going to be good.

However, I think villain might be doing this with any small pocket pair, guessing that you missed your overcards. Given that you have position here I think I actually call and hope for an A or K.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

I'm curious how other people will respond to this one.so I'm bumping it.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

You know these spots are so tough, I still don't have a good line, especially against tighter players. I probably call and make a decision on the turn depending on bet size, which card fell and the likes. I don't see myself calling another street, it's probably push or fold if he leads the turn. Always ugly though.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

call
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

horrible spot because the times when u arent already behind villians at 2/4 will probably semi bluff again with clubs. small chance he gives up if on clubs tho, and small chance hes shutting down with 1 pair after u call, probably combined make the 20% or so u need to call.
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

I haven't played 400 6max for a while, but I'd drop this on the flop like it's hot. But that's PRIMARILY because 1) I don't want to see a turn OR river and 2) you showed much strenth so far and it looks like he WANTS you to call him.
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Old 12-16-2005, 05:12 AM
RikaKazak RikaKazak is offline
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

Thing is, I pfr a fair amount, and almost ALWAYS c-bet heads up, so for me, this line hasn't showed much "real" strength.
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Old 12-16-2005, 06:56 AM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

I don't mind a push here, especially because a lot of the bad players will still call anyway with the flush draw.
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:05 AM
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Default Re: How far do you go with weak overpair?

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you showed much strenth so far and it looks like he WANTS you to call him.

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such strength? no.

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I don't mind a push here, especially because a lot of the bad players will still call anyway with the flush draw.

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gambooling on this flop against a flush draw is not nearly as +EV as you seem to suspect, against the range of villains likely flush draws here we are not very good, they are either pair + flush draw, straight + flush draw or overcard + flush draw. not to mention the times he calls with a better hand. he will rarely call with a worse hand. pc.
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