the old mike l. rears his ugly head?

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ok i wont talk about myself in the third person but this hand became an instant post as soon as i played it i felt.

good 40 live game. i had Qh6h on the button and limped after 3 limpers who play bad and one who plays good. the blinds called. 7 of us.

the flop was 6c5d3d. bb who is an okay very young kid who wins im sure and likes to read hands and lay hands down, but also knows i sometimes make plays at pots, bets. two limpers call meaning just about nothing and i raise. he 3 bets, the worst limper calls, and i call.

the turn is Ad. he bets, limper folds, and i raise.

ill stop the action there and see what you guys think.

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PREFLOP: Marginal call, close enough though that its not worth discussing. FLOP: Youre getting 10-1 to continue in this hand on a connected board with a flush draw, given the fact that your hand may not even be best right now and if it is it likely will not hold up, I would just fold. Folding the flop is the best play in my opinion. TURN: I like it a lot. Against the type of player who is trying to play well and willing to lay a hand down based on reads, this is a good play. You played your hand just like a flush draw on the flop, so if the villain doesnt have the flush himself he will likely lay it down unless he has two pair or a set. Of course if you think he will call you down regardless b/c of your image with him than just fold the turn.

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Preflop: fine

Flop: That's one ugly raise on that board given your relative position to the flop bettor. Calling is way better. Folding is almost as good as raising.

Turn: Raising beats calling as he is very unlikely to have a flush, while he shoudl know that you could. He might very well lay down a hand better than yours. But if he is teacious and suspicious or just calling station, I would just fold. So, the turn is a raise or fold spot.

I like it, your raising for a free show-down and you might possibly get him to fold a better hand, IE: K6 if he thought you were raising him on the flop with a draw. If he is 3-betting the flop with a straight draw he will call and check to you on river making you pick up extra bet. If you get 3-bet or he donks river, you have easy fold.

[sthief09]

I think the turn raise is good. you unfortunately built a big pot without much of a hand, though your play is perfectly in line with a diamond draw. the problem is he probably has a big hand, and he knows you liek to do stuff like raise a bet and two calls with a pair of sixes on a draw heavy board. you say he likes to lay hands down, and he might do just that.

the flop raise I really hate, and have no clue why you did that

[andyfox]

Preflop: textbook call out of the loose games section in HPFAP.

Flop: I'd have called and seen what the turn brang. (I know, brought, but I like brang.) Since the guy knows you like to make plays and he bet into the field, a 3-bet is likely and unlikely to lose many, if any, of the limpers. I can even see an argument for folding as you're unlikely to have a winning hand by the river. Were you raising not fearing a 3-bet in the hope that his 3-bet might clear out some of the others?

Turn: the pot is pretty big now so putting in the extra bet to see if he'll lay something down has merit. He might be thinking you would have raised pre-flop from the button with a hand you were going to play with an ace in it. Usually, though, when a guy bets the turn when an Ace comes it's a sign that he has something with which he wants you to raise. Plus he knows you like to make plays at the pot. I smell trouble.

Hope I'm wrong.

[James282]

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Usually, though, when a guy bets the turn when an Ace comes it's a sign that he has something with which he wants you to raise.


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This in itself is worth the price of admission to this thread. Something a lot of otherwise very strong players fail to consider often enough.
-James

[CardSharpCook]

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Usually, though, when a guy bets the turn when an Ace comes it's a sign that he has something with which he wants you to raise.


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This in itself is worth the price of admission to this thread. Something a lot of otherwise very strong players fail to consider often enough.
-James

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Agreed. Westley's analysis is right on too. Folding on the flop is certainly what I would do for the reasons he gave.

[rory]

To answer the question in the title-- no, this is not the old mike l. Not even close. I miss the old mike l., but I think the new mike l. is going to beat the crap out of the old one's earn.

[arkady]

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Usually, though, when a guy bets the turn when an Ace comes it's a sign that he has something with which he wants you to raise.


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This in itself is worth the price of admission to this thread. Something a lot of otherwise very strong players fail to consider often enough.
-James

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I thought about saying that, but given the loose structure of the game - it shouldnt be a big surprise for mike to hold any Axs.

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What Andy says is more applicable in spots where the guy is betting into a preflop raiser. Here, the bet by the dude on the ace turn card is of no great moment. He 3 bet the flop. He is going to bet a high percentage of the time on the turn no matter what it is unless he is against a gaggle of opponents (but here he only has 2).

I don't put much stock in the guy's turn bet.

Mike simply has to read his thoughts (more than he has to read his hand) and decide whether he will fold to a turn raise given that it makes a flush.

Andy, I can't seem to reply to your PM for whatever reason.