Screenshot of 4 Aces in window First 4 Cards

[Emmitt2222]

The thing that made my day a few days ago was datamining 1/2 and the final board is AAKAA, first guy bets, second guy calls and third guy folds. I just started cracking up and some other people laughed but I dont think the guy even got why it was funny.

[ctv1116]

why don't you use 4 color deck?

[daryn]

i have never understood the 4 color deck.

[Pokeraddict]

I do not like the 4 color deck at all.

[GrannyMae]

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have never understood the 4 color deck.


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pokeraddict
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I do not like the 4 color deck at all.

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this shocks me.

i know daryn multis, so that REALLY shocks me. i don't know if you multi beyond 2 tables PA, but i'm still suprised that 2 internet regulars have not embraced this.

i finally saw an essay from mason that makes sense on keeping the deck out of casinos. for online play tho, i just can't imagine NOT using it. all it can do is help avoid a costly misread. otoh, there seems to be no plausible argument on any HARM they can be for online play.

all good, no bad. yet you guys still don't use??

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otoh, there seems to be no plausible argument on any HARM they can be for online play.

all good, no bad. yet you guys still don't use??

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I thought it was common knowledge that you don't get dealt blue Aces as often as their red diamond counterparts.

[_2000Flushes]

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i finally saw an essay from mason that makes sense on keeping the deck out of casinos.

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Why are they bad for casinos?

-2kF

[GrannyMae]

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<font color="green">Hi Granny:

While the four color deck may be fine for Internet play, I believe it creates problems for live play. Here is an essay on this topic from my book Poker Essays, Volume II.

The Four Color Deck — A Realistic View


Special Note: This is an essay that I wrote in early 1995, but which for many reasons I did not publish until late in the year. Now that the four color deck has had its run, and is not in use in any cardroom that I know of, I feel — for the benefit of poker — that it is appropriate to release this commentary. So here goes.

Over the past year, a strong campaign has been waged, mostly by another poker writer, advocating the introduction of a four color deck. My stated opinion was that I didn’t see anything wrong with it although there were much more important entities that I thought card rooms should address. (Some of these are addressed in the previous essay.) I am now going to change my position. The four color deck should be very bad for poker and I strongly recommend that poker rooms do not adopt it.

I believe that the most important matter that a cardroom can and should attend to is to make every effort to protect the integrity of their games. Not only should they insure that their games are 100 percent honest, but they should also insure that the players believe their games are 100 percent honest. Poker players who are suspicious of the integrity of the games in some particular poker room, even if the games in that room are squeaky clean will tend not to play there.

In my opinion, all the poker rooms that I am currently familiar with have done a very good job in this area. I never worry when I sit down at the Mirage, the Horseshoe, the Bicycle Club, the Commerce Club, Bay 101, Hollywood Park, Fort McDowell, the Taj Mahal, or virtually any other card room that I can think of. But it hasn’t always been this way.

Ten years ago, when I still lived in California, there was one large cardroom, which had a great deal of business, that I would not play in. Whether it was true or not, I heard too many bad things about this place. I also believe that this was one of the major reasons why this room collapsed when the new super clubs opened. Players quickly deserted it for games in other locations which they felt were on the square.

So what does the four color deck have to do with this? Why am I implying that the four color deck may be bad for poker? And why should card rooms be reluctant to spread it? The answer is simple. Flashed cards will be easier to spot and when a card is flashed, there will be no doubt as to exactly what the suit is.

In the blackjack world, front loading is the art of looking at a dealers hole card. My book Blackjack Essays contains the most extensive discussion of this topic in print. Even though front loading is extremely difficult to do, and a dealer who does not follow procedure well is required, those few players who have mastered it are at times able to have a large advantage over the casino.

The reason I bring this up is that front loading can also be a problem at the poker table. My book Poker Essays contains a chapter on front loading. Any dealer, frequently a former blackjack dealer, who pitches the cards too high, is susceptible to a skilled front loader. Even though I do not consider it cheating, I recommend that you quickly ask the dealer to toss the cards much lower. Obviously, a four color deck will aid someone with this skill. Just knowing the color of a card will now be much more useful. This is especially true in Texas hold’em where each player only has two cards. (By the way, I do not have these front loading skills. I can also imagine games where some players are constantly requesting misdeals because a particular color has flashed.)

Speaking of hold’em, there is also a small group of players who constantly try to see the hole cards of the players sitting next to them, particularly the player on their right. It doesn’t happen too often, but when you are in the game when one of these players is being successful in seeing some cards that are not his, you will see some strangely played hands. Again, I don’t necessarily consider this cheating. As a player, it is your responsibility to protect your hand. If you don’t, you might release information that can greatly hurt you. (By the way, if you are new to poker, protecting your hand, that is holding your cards so that they are completely private, is probably the most important thing that you can do.)

As you can see, I feel that it would be a major mistake for a card room to use a four color deck that has the potential to make it easier for an unscrupulous player to get information about someone’s else’s hand. This could make some players question the integrity of the games and be bad for poker in the long run. In addition, going to a card with a large digit would make it even worst.

Once, when I was playing draw poker in Gardena many years ago, I threw three kings away before the draw. I did this because the person next to me picked up his hand so that the whole table could see that he held three aces. He also complained about how tight we played and that we never gave him any action.

My point is this. Even though there is nothing wrong in using this type of information when it becomes available at the card table, card rooms should not be assisting certain players in obtaining it. They should be doing just the opposite. For instance, I believe that dealers should occasionally tell players, especially tourists, that they need to protect their hands. In addition, they should not be introducing four color decks.
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[Pokeraddict]

When I am trying to work off a bonus quickly I 4 table the 1/2 6 max, usually I only play 3 if they are higher limits. I have never been able to train myself on the 4 color deck and actually think it would slow me down learning the 4 colors then it would ever help.

I guess to each their own.

[ctv1116]

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I have never been able to train myself on the 4 color deck and actually think it would slow me down learning the 4 colors then it would ever help.

I guess to each their own.

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What is there to train for? The only reason for the suits is to make flushes. Is it so hard to match 5 cards of the same color?