You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .

Grisgra · #1 10-14-2004, 01:38 AM

But shouldn't I wait until the turn to pop this? Or no? I feel like I cost myself some $$.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (8.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

Guido · #2 10-14-2004, 06:13 AM

I 3-bet this about a 100% of the time preflop. I would bet the flop and 3-bet when I have the chance. Rest is easy...

Guido

imitation · #3 10-14-2004, 06:29 AM

yeh 3 bet pf the rest is standard.

Nemesis · #4 10-14-2004, 07:26 AM

You're better off getting your money in on the flop most times as people freak out to turn raises much more and frequently fold to a river bet or even the turn raise sometimes.

Trix · #5 10-14-2004, 08:30 AM

Would you bet the flop if you didnt cap preflop ?

Guido · #6 10-14-2004, 09:05 AM

Yes, but that's also because I almost always bet top pair into a preflop raiser. When he has an overpair he probably thinks he can beat top pair. In general I prefer betting out and 3-betting above check-raising. Betting out and 3-betting conceals your hand more than check-raising because that's such a strong move.

Guido

DonFacehead · #7 10-14-2004, 09:29 AM

wait for turn

ALL1N · #8 10-14-2004, 09:29 AM

I think you are seriously missing value if you continually bet into preflop raisers. You are essentially giving away the effective positional advantage of being able to check the flop knowing the you'll be nearly always be able to put in a raise.

I feel that betting into the raiser should be made situationally.

fnord_too · #9 10-14-2004, 09:54 AM

I think you have to lead this flop. As it went, I don't like 3 betting here, I would rather call with the intent of leading the turn (unless the CO reraises, in which case I check the turn with the intent of check raising and trapping the button for another bet.)

If you lead this flop and are raised, I think you call if the raise comes from the button and lead the turn (so you don't lose the CO), but 3 bet if the raise comes from the CO to lock people into a showdown.

Oh, and raise pre flop.

Guido · #10 10-14-2004, 10:37 AM

I guess you aren't raised as often as I am. Most of the time I'm the preflop raiser and when I'm not I probably have top pair weak kicker in which case I prefer betting too. It doesn't happen very often that I've TPGK and I didn't raise preflop. I also said that I was talking in general, it's not that I never check-raise. I do it a lot but it's such a strong move that it's pretty easy to read. I think you are missing value when you continually check-raise. Just try it and you will be amazed about how often you get a chance to 3-bet.

Guido