KK Hand

Predator314 · #1 09-28-2005, 04:29 PM

Is this a standard call down? I'm thinking call the turn, raise the river (in hindsight).

Button is a bit passive, but too new to the table to get a good read on. He bought in for the minimum and was all in on the flop.

SB and I played heads up for a while. He was pretty aggressive during our heads up session.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

sweetjazz · #2 09-28-2005, 04:34 PM

Um raising the river sounds like a results oriented plan. Unless SB spews uncontrollably, don't raise this river. There's a good chance he has a T and you may have counterfeited T5, but he could have the flush, paired his ace (unlikely given his preflop limp), or spiked a third 6. You're going to be three-bet by flushes and trips it sounds like, and I doubt you are prepared to fold to a 3-bet. So you open yourself to lose 2 bets when behind and win 1 when ahead. I don't think you're ahead often enough to bet here, though you're specific read might tell you otherwise.

Lurkmaster Flex · #3 09-28-2005, 04:42 PM

I don't like a raise anywhere either unless you are prepared to fold to a 3-bet as the above poster said. There are just too many ways that you are behind here.

mikeyworm · #4 09-28-2005, 05:34 PM

Call the river.

Seperate question: How often do people raise the turn and take the free showdown here?

Jgents · #5 09-28-2005, 06:36 PM

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Call the river.

Seperate question: How often do people raise the turn and take the free showdown here?

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Almost never in this situation and without the Kc for a redraw. Reason being is that if you raise the turn and get reraised, you'd have to fold since it's very likely you are drawing slim, in which case you want to draw out as cheaply as possible. The chances of getting 3-bet on the turn are likely considering SB's actions in this hand.

JohnnyHumongous · #6 09-28-2005, 06:37 PM

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Call the river.

Seperate question: How often do people raise the turn and take the free showdown here?

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Almost never in this situation and without the Kc for a redraw. Reason being is that if you raise the turn and get reraised, you'd have to fold since it's very likely you are drawing to 2 outs or drawing dead. The chances of getting 3-bet on the turn are likely considering SB's actions in this hand.

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You just gave approx. 3 very good reasons for OP to raise this turn

Jgents · #7 09-28-2005, 06:39 PM

I edited my post because I mislooked the fact (just woke up and ahven't put on my contacts) that SB could have 2 pair, which obviously give Hero more than 2 outs going into t he river.

Jgents · #8 09-28-2005, 06:43 PM

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You just gave approx. 3 very good reasons for OP to raise this turn

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IF I'm gonna put in 2BB in the latter streets in this sizeable pot HU, I'm seeing showdown, this means check calling all the way. It would be ludicrous to advise a raise/fold on this turn, in this spot. Is this what you are suggesting?