Unusual PF play.

[Pudge714]

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I like this play with AK and don't like it with AQ. I don't really like it with 99 and TT, but I think it's fine with QQ and JJ. That's all I have to say. I think the chances of someone limping and calling an all-in with JJ, QQ, and AK are all high enough to make an all in with the hands I don't like, bad. (Although, most people do raise these hands pf, I usually limp with them).

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How are the chances if some one limping QQ JJ AK etc. high enough if most people raise. You are admitting limping them is a strange play, but you are saying that it is likely for some one to have them make up your mind.

[Newt_Buggs]

It's rare when I get the opportunity, but I have done this.

[maddog2030]

There's only 2 hands I'm worried about: TT and JJ. And even then I'm only worried about the button having it. Overcards I'm indifferent to as I'm getting a little better than a freeroll at over 200 chips.

[Kanchi]

I do this play a lot at the $33's in level 1/2. I've never done it with 99 though, just JJ/TT. I feel glee everytime I get to push anywhere but this spot is most fun. I'll take a flop if the amount of dead money in there isn't worth it but usually there's 200 or some odd chips I can add to my stack without a flop.

The extra 200ish chips helps me add more chips to my stack before the push/fold blinds come up. Whenever I do get called though it's by some crap like A8s or whatever. You're most likely way ahead after people go limp/call or flat call.

[Cactus Jack]

I dunno, man. At the pathetic levels I play at, that might be good or cya bye and some jerkoff is typing UL. I limp often with AK and JJ-TT in the early rounds. (I just limped AQs from the SB, and dragged 300 chips in the second hand of an 11.) The blinds aren't worth taking with a raise, and trapping can put me comfortably into the late rounds of the tournament,when AK becomes pretty sweet. It seems more risky than necessary to push with a pocket pair that the fish can feed off of, and at low limits, they will feed by the river. I doubt I would call your push, but I doubt I'm the usual.

I think you must be playing at higher limits where a big raise is respected?

CJ

[Irieguy]

The problem with this play is that your hand becomes very transparent.

If somebody limps from a position when it is almost impossible that they are trapping with a big pair, and then pushes when the pot gets sweeter from a few weak raises and calls behind... what do they have?

So, you give all the other players the option of racing you when they know that your range is very narrow. This makes it difficult for your opponents to make a big mistake, and because a SNG involves only a few hands, you really want to create situations where you are giving your opponents a chance to make really, really big mistakes.

By seeing a flop here, you will have opportunities where your opponents can make big mistakes for their whole stack. You will lose a few chips often, and gain a bunch sometimes. By pushing preflop, you will win a few chips often, and lose a bunch sometimes. You will rarely win a bunch, and if you do, it will not be because you forced your opponents into a horrible play. (The exception to this would be if your opponents were particularly likely to call with smaller pairs, and fold with overcards. But this isn't typical at the levels you play.)

Irieguy

[Degen]

i've been experimenting with this a lot lately

open pushing behind multiple limpers etc

i like it, mucho

[Irieguy]

***** Hand History for Game 2769753886 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16039100 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, September 24, 21:24:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 12002 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ur4060atbest ( $975 )
Seat 2: ASlim024 ( $650 )
Seat 3: wsopwin ( $955 )
Seat 4: VRounder ( $975 )
Seat 5: ossdoug ( $880 )
Seat 6: Jimmygogo ( $485 )
Seat 7: Tnichols75 ( $1690 )
Seat 8: nataly555 ( $1525 )
Seat 9: dereksutton ( $960 )
Seat 10: EAGLE1956 ( $905 )
Trny:16039100 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ur4060atbest [ 9c 9d ]
dereksutton folds.
EAGLE1956 calls [15].
ur4060atbest calls [15].
ASlim024 folds.
wsopwin calls [15].
VRounder raises [80].
ossdoug folds.
Jimmygogo calls [80].
Tnichols75 folds.
nataly555 folds.
EAGLE1956 folds.
ur4060atbest is all-In [960]

In this situation, it is more likely that the short stack will make a pretty big mistake.

Irie

[curtains]

I probably wouldn't push in either of the examples given, however I would be more likely to push in apathy's example, as I think the chance of that preflop raiser having 99 dominated is smaller, due to the min raise. People min raise big pairs all the time, but very rarely do they do so after so many limps.

[bluefeet]

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open pushing behind multiple limpers etc

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Personally, I find this one far more rewarding, with much less risk. Having identified a habitual limper, no one too desperate behind...a much needed boost during the intermediate levels. Specifically at this level, where decent sized stacks are still trying to see flops. I'm pulling this most every game, when the condition presents itself, with alarming success. Not rocket science I suppose, but perhaps overlooked by some. Gaining these chips to get ahead of the blinds, saves you the unpleasant push of 5-7BB's, 5-6handed, in EP, later in the tourney.

55+5
Seat 1: (1600 in chips)
Seat 2: (1445 in chips)
Seat 3: (1195 in chips)
Seat 4: (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: (1795 in chips)
Seat 6: (2375 in chips)
Seat 7: (680 in chips)
Seat 8: (1725 in chips)
Seat 9: (1205 in chips)
Seat 3: posts small blind 75
Seat 4: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluefeet [Kd 9d]
Seat 5: calls 150
Seat 6: calls 150
2 folds
bluefeet: raises 1055 to 1205 and is all-in
5 folds
bluefeet collected 675 from pot