10/20 KQs river

jason_t · #1 12-07-2005, 12:15 AM

UTG+1 is 35.96/3.62/1.42 after 1000 and MP1 is 41.50/9.47 after 400. The blinds are tight and passive. shant is MP3. This is my first orbit playing with him at 10/20 and he does not know it is me. I think that he knows that the the limpers are bad because I know he datamines.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 raises, 1 fold, I call, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, I raise, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (7.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, I bet, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, I bet, UTG+1 raises

gh9801 · #2 12-07-2005, 12:17 AM

What's the big deal? go ahead and threebet.

Jeffage · #3 12-07-2005, 12:20 AM

What's the question?

Jeff

jason_t · #4 12-07-2005, 12:24 AM

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He almost surely has a flush; this is hand reading 101 imo. He's not quite loose enough to be limping tons of suited connectors here. Granted, the [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s on the board are such that connectors like 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are possible here I think that Ax[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hands are more likely given his VPIP.

CardSharpCook · #5 12-07-2005, 12:33 AM

of course he has the flush. And of course you have to call. Quit trying to play poker, this is limit.

gh9801 · #6 12-07-2005, 12:35 AM

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of course he has the flush. And of course you have to call. Quit trying to play poker, this is limit.

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Wow, are you saying call instead of threebet here too?

Jeffage · #7 12-07-2005, 12:48 AM

I raise this as well. Many suited connectors will be played by this type of player up front and they don't all contain the ace. Also, this is online poker...he doesn't even necessarily have to have the flush to make this raise (though obv that is pretty unlikely). I will reraise this everyday of the week - but maybe I suck (feels that way sometimes).

I think this thread will have about 50 replies, mostly bc JasonT posted it and it was a seemingly no brainer hand so people will think there is a big mystical secret within b/c the answer seems so "obvious." I think it is obvious in a limit game online against a loose opponent. Reraise. If he has the nuts, so be it. And I'm sure he did...or this post might have been on the cutting room floor (and no, none of this is an an insult to Jason - it is the nature of message boards, poker and this forum).

Jeff

jason_t · #8 12-07-2005, 12:50 AM

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of course he has the flush. And of course you have to call. Quit trying to play poker, this is limit.

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omfg this is not fold or call, this is call or raise. Who folds here? gg.

Jeffage · #9 12-07-2005, 01:03 AM

One other thing I thought about - what if villian will cap any flush here (as many do online with the 4-bet cap). I think even with some doubts, this swings this to a reraise. I personally would always reraise here, but I think it's an interesting factor to consider that is prob not being looked at.

Also, talking to another poster, and he asked me what I'd do if it was the the 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] rivered. In an actual game, I would reraise and want to beat myself with a stick when it got capped since that card eliminated so many lower flush possibilities. Just thought that was interesting.

Jeff

gh9801 · #10 12-07-2005, 01:56 AM

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of course he has the flush. And of course you have to call. Quit trying to play poker, this is limit.

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omfg this is not fold or call, this is call or raise. Who folds here? gg.

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Any sheep in the herd want to stand up and argue why it's close between a call and raise here? BTW, Villain is not passive, he has like 1.5AF, which is aggro for someone with 35VPIP. I've played a lot of 10/20 on PP lately and I've seen many of these types of players play hands strangely and c/r hands as weak as two pair here.

I still think this is a very clear threebet. No one likes to respond or argue with me because apparently I'm not in with the "in-crowd", I guess.