Hand from Bellagion 5 Diamond

Gigabet · #1 12-15-2005, 06:12 AM

I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

I had actually been playing relatively passive post flop with the intention of getting into a situation with her such as this. My thinking was that if I could get to the river without allowing the pot to get way out of line, but still large enough to make it worth my while, then I could get her to fold everything but the near nuts. We both very lighthearted with each throughout the night, and joked and talked through different hands as they were being played out....I really believe she is folding everything but the hand she had and quads, of course.

Exitonly · #2 12-15-2005, 06:18 AM

Yea she probably doesn't call with less than a K... but how often is she going to be getting to this point without a K.

I think the flop was where to try something. She bets small w/ 100k.. why not try to take it from her here with a checkraise.

Ulysses · #3 12-15-2005, 06:24 AM

Exit,

Against a guy like giga who has shown a willingness to gamble quite a bit preflop, I don't think it's unreasonable to think a player as described can fold AK or AA here, putting Giga on a 6. Hands like KJ/KQ surely fold imo, unless she has a specific read he's bluffing.

Some people commented on how "dumb" a call he made preflop w/ 75 earlier in the tourney. When a player makes "dumb" calls like that, it's much easier to win hands like this since his opponent has to give serious consideration to him having a 6 with a line like this.

Gigabet · #4 12-15-2005, 06:45 AM

That 75 hand wasn't posted correctly, BTW. I did not call an all in bet, I would have folded in that situation. Preflop action is described well enough, but postflop here is how it happened. I checked, Patrick bet 20k, I made it 60k, he then reraised me to 160k. I then pushed, and he instantly called. Immediately I thought he was going to turn over top set when he called so quickly, and was relieved to see KJ. Very nice to win the toss in that spot, but with stacks as deep as ours were, I think that he would have the presence of mind to fold that hand, or others similar. I never am pushing in that spot, against a good player, with the intention of getting called by a worse hand, I just wanted to pick up the pot. I don't feel comfortable playing that large of a pot, when not in position, to the river with a hand as vulnerable as mine was. Patrick definitely is going to put enough pressure on me in later streets to make it nearly impossible to think that my hand could be good, unless it improves.

HoldingFolding · #5 12-15-2005, 09:14 AM

FYI: The Mouth critiques this hand here

Roman · #6 12-15-2005, 04:50 PM

Given your read of the situation, which I will assume is accurate (it sounds reasonable enough), I really like the way you played this hand. You built up a really big pot for yourself and made the type of bet where she would need near-nuts to call. Sucks that you ran into a monster, but it happens.

The only other factor that I would consider is that this bluff if fairly risky considering she often has a really strong hand when she makes it to the river here. How easily where you accumulating chips from the other players? I am not sure the risk of running into a monster at the expense of your stack was worth it if you had an otherwise soft table. Losing this pot left you with much less room to play, you can't really make too many plays that don't risk too much of your stack anymore.

This play would be much much better if either she had less or you had more chips, where losing it would leave still leave you with a deep stack.

ClaytonN · #7 12-15-2005, 05:39 PM

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FYI: The Mouth critiques this hand here

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Unfortunately he's critiquing on a hand reported incorrectly

Degen · #8 12-16-2005, 12:08 PM

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That 75 hand wasn't posted correctly, BTW. I did not call an all in bet, I would have folded in that situation. Preflop action is described well enough, but postflop here is how it happened. I checked, Patrick bet 20k, I made it 60k, he then reraised me to 160k. I then pushed, and he instantly called. Immediately I thought he was going to turn over top set when he called so quickly, and was relieved to see KJ. Very nice to win the toss in that spot, but with stacks as deep as ours were, I think that he would have the presence of mind to fold that hand, or others similar. I never am pushing in that spot, against a good player, with the intention of getting called by a worse hand, I just wanted to pick up the pot. I don't feel comfortable playing that large of a pot, when not in position, to the river with a hand as vulnerable as mine was. Patrick definitely is going to put enough pressure on me in later streets to make it nearly impossible to think that my hand could be good, unless it improves.

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dear god, get some sleep man

Exitonly · #9 12-15-2005, 06:48 AM

i misread the flop. thought it was KK6. that makes this look a lot better. well, you're betting 600 into an around 800 pot.. so she has to fold .45% or more. so what hands can she have at this point that will definitely call. KK, 66, or a rare K6. so like 3 KK's 1 66 2 K6's. 6 hands that call, so even if we only get 6 QQ's and 3 AA's to fold it's profitable.

Looks good, but i'm not convinced enough to look for situations to trry it.

J_V · #10 12-15-2005, 06:27 PM

Most players at that level in the tourney who have not been there before will fold AA to an all in bet and pat themselves on the back. Especially if they are cautious and have a clue. Remember she is in a position to blow a life changing moment, who wants to call it off w/ one pair?