This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here

[mack23]

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Who could possibly vote that this is good business policy? The far better solution is to restrict reload bonuses to regular players.

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60% of the voters so far. I really can't believe it either! Not too many marketing or business majors out there it appears. I'm starting to get worried that PP and skins have many players brainwashed into thinking they can do whatever the hell they want to and players must just go along with it or get banned.

[dabluebery]

I agree with most of what you say, after skimming through it, as it's basically exactly what I've been saying here in a few posts.

Most of what I've read to the contrary has been completely sophomoric or so logically flawed that it's not worth much consideration. About the only thing I'll give credence to is the notion that it's just not worth worrying about, there are plenty of better sites that can absorb people who were banned. It might be better just to move on.

[Izenra]

yes it's -ev for them, for player that are actually informed about the poker world, which is what... 10 % ?


One thing to think about : If someone was to suck you up like that, how would you react?

I know it's sucks for player, but it is understandable.

[grouchie]

Honestly, I say who cares.
Sure, the people who got banned will be annoyed for a little about the 100 bucks a month they are losing out on, but the rest are now going to play more often so they don't lose out on that potential bonus.

This is the same thing that online Casino's have been doing for a while because of bonus-abuse. Of course, now everyone is up in arms because it is touching a little closer to home for them, but really we should have seen this coming.

So, scratch one site off of your list of places to whore and you are still left with a tablet full of bonus's that you can chase elsewhere.

As the months go on the bonus's have been getting less juicy from the party network anyways. 5x to 7x and 10x (and 400x in the case of multipoker). It's going to even itself out to the point that the bonus's on the party network are going to more closely resemble the bonus's from everywhere else (or at least that is how it appears to be trending), so whore it while you can.

[Vern]

Hey, I am one of the players that got axed and regardless of what the OP or meow-meow stated, I, like the vast majority of players banned, have never bitched or complained about the fact they gave me the boot. That is why I voted that it is a good business plan, Answer the question posed Vern

Most of the threads with complaints have not been about getting axed but the manner with which Empire put the plan into action. That manner could barely instill confidence in those that did not get axed. The posts have mostly argued that a warning ahead of time would have caused the player to act differently with regard to play time, or at least honesty in providing a reason for termination would have avoided the PR mess generated by the closings.

So, to answer your biased poll, no, I cannot see how any rational person would '...think it's bad business to ban players who are costing Empire money?' but had you also bothered to include a question as to the manner of action on Empire's part you might have actually gotten at the root of the problem. Likewise I cannot see how any rational person could answer this question 'no': "When closing down the account of a person only playing on their site for the offered bonuses; Do you think it's bad busniess to ban a player's account without warning or explination and when not stone walling, only responding to inquries by implying the player had engaged in 'wrongful' or 'suspicous' activity?"

Vern

[LinusKS]

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Who could possibly vote that this is good business policy? The far better solution is to restrict reload bonuses to regular players.

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60% of the voters so far. I really can't believe it either! Not too many marketing or business majors out there it appears. I'm starting to get worried that PP and skins have many players brainwashed into thinking they can do whatever the hell they want to and players must just go along with it or get banned.

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Fun Fact: 81% of Empire-defenders are "ditto-heads."

[supersub]

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Who could possibly vote that this is good business policy? The far better solution is to restrict reload bonuses to regular players.

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60% of the voters so far. I really can't believe it either! Not too many marketing or business majors out there it appears. I'm starting to get worried that PP and skins have many players brainwashed into thinking they can do whatever the hell they want to and players must just go along with it or get banned.

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I am a marketing major and I voted yes. I have not followed this to the letter but as far as I understand it, empire is banning people that costs them money.

These same people are the players that thinks this is a marketing fiasco. The "real" players understands why Empire is doing this and they also understand that the money saved will probably somehow be used to keep the profitable customers happy.

[StellarWind]

It is normal practice in many industries to turn away undesirable or unprofitable customers. Empire has been heavy-handed but there is no point in arguing that they have done something unusual.

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free samples in the grocery store or free giveaways the day after Thanksgiving at retail stores

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Different industries have different problems. Notice the shortage of "grocery whores" who subsist solely on freebies and loss leaders. It's not practical for an appreciable number of people to patronize dozens of grocery stores where they buy nothing but loss leaders.

Empire's problem is real and solving it will mean that they get zero business from the whores. Whether this is accomplished by banning them or simply making the bonuses unavailable or unattractive to whores is really just a detail.

Multi solved the problem the other way by imposing a 20x requirement on the two most recent reloads. When I observed that I found this solution to be more appealing than banning, someone rightly observed that this is tough on the regular players who play 3-4 hours per week. They've made it difficult for a valued customer to enjoy the bonus they want him to have.

Finally I like to give thanks for all the good things in my life. One of those good things is not working in customer service for a poker room that gives the monthly reload to 95% of its customers while excluding a 5% whore list. I totally understand why Empire is not interested in the endless negativism and customer complaints such a policy would generate.

[Freudian]

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jesus christ, you people who keep defending Empire are pathetic!

If you lose money in giving bonuses then DON'T GIVE BONUSES or make them harder to clear!!!! Its simple, you don't ban selected people

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Why should their loyal customers be punished with worse terms for what the bonus whores do?

Those that complain about the unfairness of it all are mostly disgruntled bonus whores who have lost an easy way to make money.

Yes, Empire could have handled things in a better way by being upfront about what they were doing it, but it is 100% clear it makes perfect business sense to do what they did, especially if they use what money they save to reward loyal customers.

[DMBFan23]

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