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12-21-2005, 12:38 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
Interesting thought process here. If you had been running over the table on the bubble as you indicate, I would most likely call the push here as well. If he wins this hand (that he is a 65-35 favorite in), he becomes the dominant chip leader and has a solid chance of taking down first place. If he folds this, then what else must he fold while the small stack is still around? What happens if the small stack makes it through the next orbit? Is this guy suppossed to just passively fold all his hands to your greatness? Not only do I not see this play as "retarded," given the information you provided, I consider it the CORRECT play. Why wait around and HOPE to spinelessly win $4? The push, IMHO, is what is suspect. The only callers you will get are the ones who have u dominated. You should have been down to about 1200 chips here.
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#2
12-21-2005, 12:50 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
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Interesting thought process here. If you had been running over the table on the bubble as you indicate, I would most likely call the push here as well. If he wins this hand (that he is a 65-35 favorite in), he becomes the dominant chip leader and has a solid chance of taking down first place. If he folds this, then what else must he fold while the small stack is still around? What happens if the small stack makes it through the next orbit? Is this guy suppossed to just passively fold all his hands to your greatness? Not only do I not see this play as "retarded," given the information you provided, I consider it the CORRECT play. Why wait around and HOPE to spinelessly win $4? The push, IMHO, is what is suspect. The only callers you will get are the ones who have u dominated. You should have been down to about 1200 chips here. Les [/ QUOTE ] You're risking a buy-in when you are guranteed to at least turn a profit on this SnG? Why are you thinking of it as $4? Of course that means nothing to you, but to someone who plays $6 SnG's it's a lot. BTW, it's not just $4- it's a difference of $10. Horrible reasoning
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#3
12-21-2005, 12:57 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
I am not trying to really give away a whole lot about how I play personally, but overall I am a fairly tight player when it comes to calling off all my chips. Over the last couple of weeks, my ITM is GREAT, but my ROI is alot lower than I would like, in large part because I am most likely a little TOO cautious at times, but I call this. The OP has already told us their image at the table is loose. Are you playing for 1st or to just survive? What range would u call with here. . AA only?
Les
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#4
12-21-2005, 01:00 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
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What range would u call with here. . AA only? Les [/ QUOTE ] Like i posted. If we assume opponent is pushing any two cards, you should call with TT+. Folding here does not mean you only play to sneak into the money. You still have a good chance of winning this thing after folding.
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#5
12-21-2005, 01:03 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
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Are you playing for 1st or to just survive? [/ QUOTE ] This is not a rhetorical question as you may suppose, but rather an extremely misguided one. You should never "play for first." You should play to maximize your $$ expectation.
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#6
12-21-2005, 01:12 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
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[ QUOTE ] Are you playing for 1st or to just survive? [/ QUOTE ] This is not a rhetorical question as you may suppose, but rather an extremely misguided one. You should never "play for first." You should play to maximize your $$ expectation. [/ QUOTE ] Well put. We need a bot to say this for us, and we need to convince the MTT forum of this.
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#7
12-21-2005, 01:15 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Are you playing for 1st or to just survive? [/ QUOTE ] This is not a rhetorical question as you may suppose, but rather an extremely misguided one. You should never "play for first." You should play to maximize your $$ expectation. [/ QUOTE ] Well put. We need a bot to say this for us, and we need to convince the MTT forum of this. [/ QUOTE ] Actually I think in multis you should play for first [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] p.s. but it's really just cos of the hidden extra $EV of winning a big chunk of $$ all at once, or in the case of a TV tournament, of reaping the financial benefits of fame.
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#8
12-21-2005, 01:23 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Are you playing for 1st or to just survive? [/ QUOTE ] This is not a rhetorical question as you may suppose, but rather an extremely misguided one. You should never "play for first." You should play to maximize your $$ expectation. [/ QUOTE ] Well put. We need a bot to say this for us, and we need to convince the MTT forum of this. [/ QUOTE ] Actually I think in multis you should play for first [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] p.s. but it's really just cos of the hidden extra $EV of winning a big chunk of $$ all at once, or in the case of a TV tournament, of reaping the financial benefits of fame. [/ QUOTE ] I feel like I just went through a bad relationship.
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#9
12-21-2005, 01:16 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
Yeah. I've been banging my head against the wall in the MTT forum sometimes over this quite a few times.
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#10
12-21-2005, 01:18 AM
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Re: How are people this retarted?
btw I suspect that even in a $5 it is gonig to be +EV to push there on the button. I could be wrong, but even they can see that they awnt to finish top 3. However AQ is just way too pretty to expect them to fold. But just because they call with AQ+AJ, doesnt mean the play isnt +EV.
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